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    Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 5:24pm
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I posted a thread here earlier today. The one regarding a fishing company stealing fish and breeching the Fisheries Act. There was one (wrong) statement that this was a political post now it appears to have gone?
This one;http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8910382/huge-fishing-fraud-suspected

How is this political OR do just a few rule this board? SURELY this is the most important fishing topic today? AND if not why not?
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I have heard 2 news reports on Nat Radio about a Napier fishing company under investigation with suspicious discrepancies between fish landed and exported.
edit - from various locations other than just Napier
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Yeah its been moved to the politics area. I guess anything that has the smallest possibility of turning political will end up there, even if it doesn't.


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How is it political? One of the subheadings here even has "stolen" as a topic for this section This company has "stolen" fish by breeching the quota system under the fisheries act.
The individual who says this is political has yet to answer this but seems to be able to get the importance of this taken from here.
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that is my feeling as well but i guess others are complaining that Politics and fish dont mix,
so to now find what truly is happening to our fish we have to go hunt down some stupid thread way down under all the others threads to locate it...
ok i can see the problem but maybe we should bring something as important as our fisheries under the Binary bar...
we at least have LegaSea there....
your thoughts????
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How about putting news articles in the new sections? 


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if you really want to know what is happening then your better off at Face Book even LegaSea have taken it on...

nah this is getting outa hand, Mod's how about sorting this out with Grant,
people need to view such articles which effect their fishing....

its getting to the point i cant be stuffed because not enough are seeing the results which effect them...


 
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Maybe it's the approach and not the message.

The news section has been used effectively for years and I'm not the only one who browse by new posts.

In my opinion (and I have a lot of respect for you Lethal), might be time to find another soap box.

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Originally posted by Lethal Lethal wrote:

if you really want to know what is happening then your better off at Face Book even LegaSea have taken it on...

nah this is getting outa hand, Mod's how about sorting this out with Grant,
people need to view such articles which effect their fishing....

its getting to the point i cant be stuffed because not enough are seeing the results which effect them...


 



Lethal,

I had a look at the original post which is now in the politics thread.

It was you that asked why it was still there and hadn't been moved to the politics thread!

I don't think this is political, I think this is fine for the briney bar.
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Originally posted by Zambezi Zambezi wrote:

Maybe it's the approach and not the message.

The news section has been used effectively for years and I'm not the only one who browse by new posts.

In my opinion (and I have a lot of respect for you Lethal), might be time to find another soap box.

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are you serious that i should take a break, your not happy with my comments/posts????
i have no problem with leaving this Place even if its been some 12 years,
its getting beyond a joke, people either want to know about our fishery and how it effects the fishing and why it is like it is.......
if they dont understand the what has been and how it was changed for the worse then fine i will take a break...

you vote on it,
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Originally posted by Raging Bull Raging Bull wrote:

Originally posted by Lethal Lethal wrote:

if you really want to know what is happening then your better off at Face Book even LegaSea have taken it on...

nah this is getting outa hand, Mod's how about sorting this out with Grant,
people need to view such articles which effect their fishing....

its getting to the point i cant be stuffed because not enough are seeing the results which effect them...


 



Lethal,

I had a look at the original post which is now in the politics thread.

It was you that asked why it was still there and hadn't been moved to the politics thread!

I don't think this is political, I think this is fine for the briney bar.


neither do i RB,
if you had read what i wrote in the other thread you may not have written the above,
"i dont want these to be removed but it seams to be this is how it is from now on...

these sort of things will always turn into a fight over who is responsible for policing such disgusting actions by our commercial fleet, it cant be helped...

but this sort of thing needs to be made public for all to comment on,
whether it be talking about Politics or not, the fact our fishery is being devastated by a few needs to be addressed, not hidden in some obscure thread way down in the depth of the front page..."


the reason i asked was because i was told this sort of thing is now classed as Political due to where it would end up,
i didnt say it had to be moved i only ask why someone other than myself can have it posted here...

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Settle down and don't get your knickers in a twist chaps. This one's probably more a news item but can hang out in the Briny Bar for now anyway - depends on what direction it takes.

I don't think there's any debate about the fact that our fisheries and the future of them are important and need to be discussed fully. When those discussions are political in nature or are motivated by politics then they rightly belong in the politics forum. If it's a news item then that's where it should live. 

It's not that anyone is trying to 'bury' stuff so you can't find it, it's just that many on here felt the BB was getting over-run by political diatribe coming up to the election and most people were more than over it (and driven by a handful of members too - you only need to look back through the threads and it's pretty obvious).

If you use the New Posts button it's pretty easy to scan what's been posted and then just follow the links - it's almost irrelevant where the thread actually sits but all the mods have agreed that we'll do our best to keep things in the most appropriate place.

Someone asked about LegaSea - LegaSea is an apolitical organisation.
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I'm not concerned where posts are placed. I always use "new posts" so see it all.
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It was I who moved it. It probably was ok in here, this threads here too. But it has been impossible to find anything else in the Briny Bar recently and that had the potential to start all over again. As soon as i see someone questioning why it is in the BB of course I'll move it.

Apologies to O'Neil, we normally pm the OP before moving it but I was running out of time.

Of course this stuff is important, that's why I make sure it goes in the correct forum. Grunta has spoken and this is where this stays. Zambezi isn't suggesting you take a break Lethal,  you are one of the most valued contributors to this site with a very long (in internet terms) history here.
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It had a massive potential to just turn into another Hate Commercials brackets the bastrerds close bracketsthread, so I agree with Smudge on moving it to the politics (or the News section would have been good too) forum.
There has been a huge number of political threads in the BB for the last few months, and they were just going around and around and around..... it would be nice to have the Briney Bar as a Lets catch fish forum for even just a wee while I reckon.
Nobody is out to get anyone or anything, it'd just be nice to see some friendly banter and happy thoughts for a while before we start banging on again about how peed off we are with the injustices of the world.
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cheers Smudge, the idea was to get it sorted, not to coarse a problem,
thanks Grunta for your thoughts, happy now that has been solved...

there was one post i had made that i would wish others could see which was the Chinese in shore fish fleet which gives an idea on what the world is in for when their fish stocks have run out even with a Ban on fishing for 3mths of the year when the fish are spawning its not enough...

maybe you could shift that to the Binary Bar Smudge as it is an eye opener to what the world is up against....
not just in the future but right at this very moment as China shifts its attention to the open seas....
 
 
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OK so are we now back on topic because I have something to contribute about the raid on Hawkes Bay Seafoods and the alleged under-reporting of fish caught. 
 
I made a couple of comments early in the original topic that I think people should know about without mentioning names but now that Hawkes Bay Seafoods have been identified the names of the people behind the company are public.
 
These are the people behind Hawkes bay Seafoods.  They have a long history of involvement in the NZ fishing industry and almost as long a history of abusing the QMS.  As I said yesterday, if the charges are proven, they and their families should NEVER again be allowed to be involved in commercial fishing in NZ.  Their quota should be forfeit and their boats should be sunk to create artificial reefs in an effort to try and help rebuild the fishery they have conspired to destroy over at least three decades.
 
I won't say any more but will leave the following so you can all form your own opinion.
 
 
 
 
 
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Fully agree. I would add though if staff loose their jobs because of this behaviour those who are not involved should be paid compensation from the sale of assets from those who have committed the offences.
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Originally posted by Apex Predator Apex Predator wrote:

OK so are we now back on topic because I have something to contribute about the raid on Hawkes Bay Seafoods and the alleged under-reporting of fish caught. 
 
I made a couple of comments early in the original topic that I think people should know about without mentioning names but now that Hawkes Bay Seafoods have been identified the names of the people behind the company are public.
 
These are the people behind Hawkes bay Seafoods.  They have a long history of involvement in the NZ fishing industry and almost as long a history of abusing the QMS.  As I said yesterday, if the charges are proven, they and their families should NEVER again be allowed to be involved in commercial fishing in NZ.  Their quota should be forfeit and their boats should be sunk to create artificial reefs in an effort to try and help rebuild the fishery they have conspired to destroy over at least three decades.
 
I won't say any more but will leave the following so you can all form your own opinion.
 
 
 
 
 
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WTF and this was in 2010

A prominent fishing company director has racked up his 98th conviction for charges that include making false statements about the fish he was catching and selling.

Antonio "Nino" D'Esposito, 50, two of his companies and one of his employees pleaded guilty to charges of making false statements about a catch of fish in July.

How can this guy still be opperating??Angry
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