Fish stolen
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Printed Date: 26 Jan 2026 at 6:20am
Topic: Fish stolen
Posted By: o Neill
Subject: Fish stolen
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 5:24pm
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I posted a thread here earlier today. The one regarding a fishing company stealing fish and breeching the Fisheries Act. There was one (wrong) statement that this was a political post now it appears to have gone? This one;http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8910382/huge-fishing-fraud-suspected How is this political OR do just a few rule this board? SURELY this is the most important fishing topic today? AND if not why not? |
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Posted By: Fishb8
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 5:28pm
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I have heard 2 news reports on Nat Radio about a Napier fishing company under investigation with suspicious discrepancies between fish landed and exported.
edit - from various locations other than just Napier ------------- Be yourself; everyone else is already taken |
Posted By: Juan night only
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 5:57pm
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Yeah its been moved to the politics area. I guess anything that has the smallest possibility of turning political will end up there, even if it doesn't. |
Posted By: o Neill
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 6:03pm
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How is it political? One of the subheadings here even has "stolen" as a topic for this section This company has "stolen" fish by breeching the quota system under the fisheries act. The individual who says this is political has yet to answer this but seems to be able to get the importance of this taken from here. |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 6:13pm
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that is my feeling as well but i guess others are complaining that Politics and fish dont mix, so to now find what truly is happening to our fish we have to go hunt down some stupid thread way down under all the others threads to locate it... ok i can see the problem but maybe we should bring something as important as our fisheries under the Binary bar... we at least have LegaSea there.... your thoughts???? ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: rockz
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 6:23pm
| after the break on tv 3 news |
Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 6:49pm
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How about putting news articles in the new sections? ------------- A man’s comfort in life can be measured by the quality of the toilet paper he uses to wipe his arse. |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 6:57pm
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if you really want to know what is happening then your better off at Face Book even LegaSea have taken it on... nah this is getting outa hand, Mod's how about sorting this out with Grant, people need to view such articles which effect their fishing.... its getting to the point i cant be stuffed because not enough are seeing the results which effect them...  ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 7:03pm
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Maybe it's the approach and not the message. The news section has been used effectively for years and I'm not the only one who browse by new posts. In my opinion (and I have a lot of respect for you Lethal), might be time to find another soap box. http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/beating+a+dead+horse+all+right+my+usual+statement+if_12609f_4027090.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/beating+a+dead+horse+all+right+my+usual+statement+if_12609f_4027090.jpg ------------- A man’s comfort in life can be measured by the quality of the toilet paper he uses to wipe his arse. |
Posted By: Raging Bull
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 7:16pm
Lethal, I had a look at the original post which is now in the politics thread. It was you that asked why it was still there and hadn't been moved to the politics thread! I don't think this is political, I think this is fine for the briney bar. |
Lethal wrote:Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 8:21pm
are you serious that i should take a break, your not happy with my comments/posts???? i have no problem with leaving this Place even if its been some 12 years, its getting beyond a joke, people either want to know about our fishery and how it effects the fishing and why it is like it is....... if they dont understand the what has been and how it was changed for the worse then fine i will take a break... you vote on it, +1 ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 8:25pm
neither do i RB, if you had read what i wrote in the other thread you may not have written the above, "i dont want these to be removed but it seams to be this is how it is from now on... these sort of things will always turn into a fight over who is responsible for policing such disgusting actions by our commercial fleet, it cant be helped... but this sort of thing needs to be made public for all to comment on, whether it be talking about Politics or not, the fact our fishery is being devastated by a few needs to be addressed, not hidden in some obscure thread way down in the depth of the front page..." the reason i asked was because i was told this sort of thing is now classed as Political due to where it would end up, i didnt say it had to be moved i only ask why someone other than myself can have it posted here... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Grunta
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 8:39pm
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Settle down and don't get your knickers in a twist chaps. This one's probably more a news item but can hang out in the Briny Bar for now anyway - depends on what direction it takes. I don't think there's any debate about the fact that our fisheries and the future of them are important and need to be discussed fully. When those discussions are political in nature or are motivated by politics then they rightly belong in the politics forum. If it's a news item then that's where it should live. It's not that anyone is trying to 'bury' stuff so you can't find it, it's just that many on here felt the BB was getting over-run by political diatribe coming up to the election and most people were more than over it (and driven by a handful of members too - you only need to look back through the threads and it's pretty obvious). If you use the New Posts button it's pretty easy to scan what's been posted and then just follow the links - it's almost irrelevant where the thread actually sits but all the mods have agreed that we'll do our best to keep things in the most appropriate place. Someone asked about LegaSea - LegaSea is an apolitical organisation. ------------- Online... |
Posted By: Wide Load
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 10:46pm
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I'm not concerned where posts are placed. I always use "new posts" so see it all. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 11:41pm
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It was I who moved it. It probably was ok in here, this threads here too. But it has been impossible to find anything else in the Briny Bar recently and that had the potential to start all over again. As soon as i see someone questioning why it is in the BB of course I'll move it. Apologies to O'Neil, we normally pm the OP before moving it but I was running out of time. Of course this stuff is important, that's why I make sure it goes in the correct forum. Grunta has spoken and this is where this stays. Zambezi isn't suggesting you take a break Lethal, you are one of the most valued contributors to this site with a very long (in internet terms) history here. ------------- Best gurnard fisherman in my street |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 12:47am
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It had a massive potential to just turn into another Hate Commercials brackets the bastrerds close bracketsthread, so I agree with Smudge on moving it to the politics (or the News section would have been good too) forum. There has been a huge number of political threads in the BB for the last few months, and they were just going around and around and around..... it would be nice to have the Briney Bar as a Lets catch fish forum for even just a wee while I reckon. Nobody is out to get anyone or anything, it'd just be nice to see some friendly banter and happy thoughts for a while before we start banging on again about how peed off we are with the injustices of the world. Thats what I think anyhow. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 12:53am
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cheers Smudge, the idea was to get it sorted, not to coarse a problem, thanks Grunta for your thoughts, happy now that has been solved... there was one post i had made that i would wish others could see which was the Chinese in shore fish fleet which gives an idea on what the world is in for when their fish stocks have run out even with a Ban on fishing for 3mths of the year when the fish are spawning its not enough... maybe you could shift that to the Binary Bar Smudge as it is an eye opener to what the world is up against.... not just in the future but right at this very moment as China shifts its attention to the open seas.... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Apex Predator
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 10:42am
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OK so are we now back on topic because I have something to contribute about the raid on Hawkes Bay Seafoods and the alleged under-reporting of fish caught.
I made a couple of comments early in the original topic that I think people should know about without mentioning names but now that Hawkes Bay Seafoods have been identified the names of the people behind the company are public.
These are the people behind Hawkes bay Seafoods. They have a long history of involvement in the NZ fishing industry and almost as long a history of abusing the QMS. As I said yesterday, if the charges are proven, they and their families should NEVER again be allowed to be involved in commercial fishing in NZ. Their quota should be forfeit and their boats should be sunk to create artificial reefs in an effort to try and help rebuild the fishery they have conspired to destroy over at least three decades.
I won't say any more but will leave the following so you can all form your own opinion.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/4450660/Fishing-firm-boss-guilty-of-false-statement" rel="nofollow - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/4450660/Fishing-firm-boss-guilty-of-false-statement
http://www.fish.govt.nz/en-nz/Press/Press+Releases+2010/December10/Guilty+pleas+in+commercial+fishing+cases.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.fish.govt.nz/en-nz/Press/Press+Releases+2010/December10/Guilty+pleas+in+commercial+fishing+cases.htm
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Posted By: o Neill
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 11:12am
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Fully agree. I would add though if staff loose their jobs because of this behaviour those who are not involved should be paid compensation from the sale of assets from those who have committed the offences. |
Posted By: Seasider
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 11:30am
WTF and this was in 2010
A prominent fishing company director has racked up his 98th conviction for charges that include making false statements about the fish he was catching and selling. Antonio "Nino" D'Esposito, 50, two of his companies and one of his employees pleaded guilty to charges of making false statements about a catch of fish in July. How can this guy still be opperating??
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Posted By: letsgetem
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 11:57am
| I got sick of the same old things being argued about here. Some people don't seem to be able to bow out gracefully. But, I for one want any threads about abuse of our fishery, to be in the briny bar - as I think its one of the most important if not the most important things. |
Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 12:15pm
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Posted By: southernwanderer
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 12:40pm
| Is it just me or do those fines look pathetically small? My god, truckies get more than that for fudge'n their log books! Yes that's a safety issue but its done to deter drivers for driving themselves to death. There needs to be some serious questions asked if that's all you get for outright theft! But hey if the worse you can get for catching 50x the recreational limit is 350hrs p.d. Then i guess in this case the fines "appropriate with regards to previous sentencing" an therefore can't be appealed for being to excessive or unfair to the perpartrator, sometimes our judicial system is a joke!!!! |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 1:31pm
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high time they though the book at this family for sure, yes i hope he has his boats confiscated and he should end up in bloody jail for a spell, plus have his license to sell or ever be involved in the fishing industry ever again.. he certainly has a track record of ripping the system off yet the warnings and fines have never stopped him from reoffending... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Derek F
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 3:37pm
And that is only because the fines are small compared to what he steals! ------------- And the trouble is, if you don't risk anything, you risk even more...Erica Jong |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 3:59pm
Simple, you simply reply " It's my lively hood and family income, How will we eat?"
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Posted By: kingfishers
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 5:26pm
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Alleged illegal fish export business hooked MARTY SHARPE Dozens of fisheries compliance officers have this morning swooped on boats and offices around the country in connection with a Hawke's Bay enterprise alleged to have exported fish in an illegal manner designed to deliberately side-step quota limits. The focus of the swoop was a family-based fishing entity run by the D'Esposito brothers, Nino (Antonino) and Joe (Giancarlo). This morning 88 Ministry of Primary Industries compliance officers and investigators and New Zealand Police visited sites in the greater Hawke's Bay area, Wellington, Tauranga, Gisborne, Chatham Islands and Christchurch. The brothers run Hawke's Bay Seafoods, a "vertically integrated" company that holds quotas, exports and imports seafood, and operates vessels, seafood processors, wholesalers and retailers. The company, based in Ahuriri, Napier, is a major player and was chosen as a site visit by economic development minister Steven Joyce earlier this month when he announced a $200 million regional development fund. This morning's operation was undertaken by MPI to secure evidence in what the Ministry's director of compliance, Dean Baigent, says was the largest investigation of its kind in many years. The investigation involves staff from MPI, Customs, Police, Immigration and Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment. "The investigation involves activity throughout the commercial supply chain - catching, landing, processing and exporting," Baigent said. He said inquiries indicated large discrepancies between the company's catch records and export documents, with more fish being exported than was being reported as caught. Export documents showed the company had exported substantial quantities of fresh chilled product over an 18-month period, while catch records show the company has landed considerably less, he said. The misreported figure was expected to grow with the inclusion of domestic sales that had occurred over the period in question, he said. "This looks like an example of a company side-stepping the regulations that ensure the sustainability of our fisheries in a very deliberate and calculated manner. This type of behaviour undermines the Quota Management System, puts the fishery at risk and makes it more difficult for legitimate fishers to get their legitimate catch." The Dominion Post ------------- "My mind has gone fishing, ask all questions tomorrow" |
Posted By: Apex Predator
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 6:04pm
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Why is it that none of the media articles say that the alleged offenders have prior convictions and even spent time in prison for similar offences. Just shows how poor our journalists are at reporting on a story. 1 minute on Google is all it would have taken. |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 6:28pm
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your onto it Apex Predator, and when they go to court old convictions are not mentioned either, system suck big time... this is another reason we had to take a cut in my book but that is another story, 18mths before they could pull the plug makes you wounder just how fast the system works... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 12:35am
another update,Property, cash seized in fishing raids...http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/255478/property,-cash-seized-in-fishing-raids" rel="nofollow - http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/255478/property,-cash-seized-in-fishing-raids
------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 5:02am
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The proceeds of crimes act will fix them...They are guilty automatically with this and have to prove their innocence...Which one would imagine will be difficult to do ...Boats,all propertys,cars.bank accounts now all in the hands of the police/courts.. ------------- The People Protest Actions Speak Louder Than Words |
Posted By: Rob Optimist
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 4:27pm
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These guys should never be involved in any form of fishing business for the rest of their lives. Why has it taken so long? ------------- "attitude is everything" |
Posted By: Apex Predator
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 5:44pm
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So this pissed me off so much that I emailed the Radiolive reporter this morning and asked why he had only written half the story and not highlighted the history of these maggots. Well to his credit the reporter got back to me and said he was aware and was working on the bigger story. I might even be a part of this now but regardless, I have given him the local contacts and hope it comes off. Speaking of the locals I have spoken to a few today and there is some serious momentum building that I hope doesn't fizzle out. Must admit it felt better do do something rather than just talk about it. |
Posted By: Clutch
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 5:51pm
Well done AP
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 9:36pm
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Good on you Kevin, yes it is high time this crap was seriously dealt to its gone too far too many times, the system is being totally abused and certainly needs to sorting more quickly than 18mths... if these guys are aloud to keep their Quota and are still able to operate after this, then we are wasting our time even thinking our fishery will ever get better.... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2014 at 3:59am
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if anyone feels like having your say about this crowd leave your comments at the bottom of this link, it also allows you to slap it up on Face Book to show your mates/friends/family and then let them have a say to... give em hell, let the rest of NZ know how you feel about someone ripping off yours and your kids heritage so they can line their own pockets... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11331896" rel="nofollow - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11331896 ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Tex
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2014 at 10:15pm
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