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hi all im new to all of this i need some advice im looking at geting a 5.5 surtees but im not sure what engine to pick a115 2s yammie or a 90 yammie or a 90 etec  is the extra cash worth it  and is the fuel usage that much  please help as this is my first real big boat so all views welcom
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the deep v gives them awesome ride but need a lil more horsepower to run them. Guys who have had 90s have been satisfied but the ones with 115 seem to be stoked. Go 115 if the budget allows but also interested in others opinions
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If you want reliability go with Yamaha, the F100 will go well on that hull, well worth the extra dollars for a 4 stroke, you wont be disappointed.

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i am was thinking of the 90etec  and also looking at fuel economy,resale later in time and the differance in price is about $6500 thats for the 115 2s yammie just need to know the pros and cons $6500 differance is a lot of cash that can buy a few tank gas and a good few services and beersTongue and is the noise on a 115 that much louder and does it use more fuel than the 90etec in other words can i justify the $6500 or   
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so is the f100 better than the 115 2 s in fuel use and service
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Yes they will use approximately 60% less fuel compared to the 115 2 stroke, they are easy to service, servicing costs are a little bit more than a 2 stroke. If you want reliability go the Yamaha. Yamahas back up and after sales support, warranty is second to none. If it was me i'd be spending the extra and going with the Yamaha.

With the E-tec you still have to service them every year and the oil and sparkplugs are expensive, so you are not getting much of a saving.
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I used to have a 200 ho etec on a 7m alloy great engine, my new rig a 1 ton havier with A yamaha F300 V8 i find the yamaha is cheaper on the same round trip, no expensive oil need and much quiter. I would never go back to an etec after owning a yamaha 4 stroke. Makes me wounder how reliable the etec claims are.
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hows the mercs 90 or 115 are the any good 
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Originally posted by SHARK BOY SHARK BOY wrote:

hows the mercs 90 or 115 are the any good 
Hi SB-I can quote the 115 Optimax that I have on my 5.5. Goes really good and very economical. There are many outboards on the market that are good but if your budget allows get something that is fuel injected. You won't be disappointed-one of the threads claims 60% better?? That may a bit over the top but this Optimax uses approx 40% less than a carbed 90 2stroke Merc I had on a previous boat. Also do some homework and check the weight of the 4 stroke equivalent whether 90 or 115 as it may make quite a difference to how the bum on the 5.5 sits in the water. Personally I wouldn't want any more weight on the back than the 115 Opti. If you've got plenty of water and are not risking dragging the bottom anywhere.........no problem. Hope this helps. 
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thanks glad to hear about the merc  so far yammie  and merc looks good with the  etec i got that itchy feeling in side that warning bell in the back of my mind to many bad thing being  said about etecs so yammie 4s or merc opti mmmm whats the service cost of  merc  and yammie  at pressent i got a 15 yammie so i will see a jump in cost
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Any of the top brand fourstrokes are great, Suzuki, honda Yamaha..and  the 2 stroke optimax

Resale with a 4 stroke will be better.
There are threads on here detailing why an Etec would possibly not be your best choice.


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Originally posted by RC1 RC1 wrote:

Yes they will use approximately 60% less fuel compared to the 115 2 stroke, they are easy to service, servicing costs are a little bit more than a 2 stroke. If you want reliability go the Yamaha. Yamahas back up and after sales support, warranty is second to none. If it was me i'd be spending the extra and going with the Yamaha.

With the E-tec you still have to service them every year and the oil and sparkplugs are expensive, so you are not getting much of a saving.

Have you got some figures about fuel burn on the F100? Sounds like Yamaha must have come close to discovering the 'holy grail' if it is genuinely 60% more fuel efficient that the 115 2 stroker. As far as I can figure out the SWS 115 is 23lph at 4000rpm cruise and the F100 is 15lph at 4000rpm cruise for a difference of ~35%. If the F100 is truly burning ~9lph at 4000rpm then there is some awesome new technology that they need to very quickly roll out into their larger engines. Just imagine a F200 cruising at 18lph instead of the 30lph that they currently do.
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perhaps it was mean to read "60% of the 115's fuel rate"?
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Originally posted by Bounty Hunter Bounty Hunter wrote:

perhaps it was mean to read "60% of the 115's fuel rate"?
That would be more correct, although given that the 115 will cruise faster, it is still a bit misleading. My experience so far is that 'apples for apples' a typical 4 stroke is approx 25% more efficient than a late model 2 stroke at cruise and a bit better than this at trolling speeds. It would be nice to think that the latest engines are 40%+ more efficient etc, but if they are I haven't seen or heard of it yet.
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So  the differance is +-25% between the 4stroke and the 2 stroke in fuel efficient is it the really worth all that extra cash for a 4s and im looking at  115 2s and a F100 and a 90 or 115 optimax  because i can see the green,eco  benefit no more oil tank to fill and that smell which i love Wink is the noise differance that much between  4s and 2s
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go 4 stroke dude ,no messing with oil tanks and as said the resale will be better worth paying the extra for my opinion 
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Noise difference is great at idle, not so much at cruise. Resale is much better and easier. You also get more range out of your tank which may be important in a boat that size with I guess a small tank. If you troll a bit, the 4 stroke is a big improvement on fuel use, noise, and smell. If you cruise around at 4000rpm from spot to spot and then drift or anchor, but never far from shore, the main difference is in the resale. If you are mechanically minded at all the SWS 2 stroke Yamahas are incredibly easy to maintain yourself.
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 what does sws mean the tank is 100L should be heeps lol the resale is very important I'm looking at keeping the rig for a very long time so its important to get it right and that why I'm asking my fellow boaties to share their wisdom Big smile and are the  merc opti max better than etec since the technology is similar any one got any merc opti max disappointment
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what does sws mean? Yamaha model mate, Salt Water Series.
 
Have mates with Optis and they love em, but some folk of course hate them and reckon they are problematic... I think you will get moans and groans and goods and bads with any motor these days.
 
However, all the Jap motors seemed to have got better over the years whereas Mercs are good as well, sadly we have lost OMC with Evinrude/Johnson to Etec
 
and don't forget the Tohatsu, a good basic reliable motor, merc usa now own Tohatsu and I believe all Jap mercs up to 50hp are Tohatsu, same with Mariner...
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Originally posted by SHARK BOY SHARK BOY wrote:

 what does sws mean the tank is 100L should be heeps lol the resale is very important I'm looking at keeping the rig for a very long time so its important to get it right and that why I'm asking my fellow boaties to share their wisdom Big smile and are the  merc opti max better than etec since the technology is similar any one got any merc opti max disappointment
 
When I first got my Opti 115 it ran like a dream and in fact except for a bit more of a "bark" coming from the exhaust one would struggle to tell the difference between it and a 4 stroke it is so even in the beat. However I had it for about 3 months (it was 2 years old when I got it) when it lost a cylinder intermittently. It was still under warrantee so took it to the agent and they fixed it FOC immediately no questions asked. It was an ignition module on No. 3 cylinder and according to the agent is a known fault with all of the Opti's up to 150hp. Etecs aren't exempt from this either as my friend's 115 Etec fried the computor module and he waited 2 months for a new one to come from Aussie. My point here is every make and model will have a glitch somewhere in their existence especially in the first 3-4 years and if you look hard enough on all of them you will find something. Make sure that what ever you get that you have a good agent close
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