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Kane, (and others)
What is your take on this one?
In the US and maybe worldwide?, Accurate took out Patents so that no one else could do Dual Drags on their overhead Reels, but i think more than one manufacturer is doing it here - JM and now Maxel....
So if these Patents are in place, is Accurate looking to protect them?
Please correct me if any of the above in incorrect,
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Only in USA Millkman. I believe JM were forced to use single drags in there US models only.
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Go the maxel sea lion dual drag range., great reels and who cares bout the politics just enjoy the products:). Some great new reels comming out of all camps ATM. Seems jm is behind maxel by about 2 months.
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Sounds like a urban myth as avet sell dual drag reels and I have brought a jm dual drag in tha past from kill song out of the us when the exchange rate peaked.
Well they may have a patent but possibly the rest of the world doesn't care .
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As Kaveman said, pretty sure its a US patent...
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Originally posted by the angler the angler wrote:

Sounds like a urban myth as avet sell dual drag reels and I have brought a jm dual drag in tha past from kill song out of the us when the exchange rate peaked.
Well they may have a patent but possibly the rest of the world doesn't care .


Correct, but once Accurate issued patent copyright, JM had to cease selling them in USA only
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How come avet use dual drags and sell them in the states ? And how come twin drag jigging masters are still for sale in the states ? Hhhmmmm so many questions , does anyone really care or are they just thumbing there noses at accurate and going yeah you have got a patent but na we won't stop selling our reels u silly yanky doodle Dandy
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Accurate, Maxel, JM all have use a drag disk either side of the spool in their twin drag reels... Avet on the other hand use a double disk on the drive side of the spool in their Raptor series so there is more than enough of a difference in design so as not to effect the Accurate patent.... As for the rest they have pretty much copied the Accurate twin drag system... Accurate are also about to release their new Boss reel series the Dauntlass in the 400, 500 ,and 600 sizes. All have twin anti reverse Dogs and a bigger diameter drive shaft...
 
 
 
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I don't know how it's quantified but I think if your design is 20% different you are good to go.
 
Color is not included as a difference.
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Twin drag jm 's are stii for sale in the us so I guess patent is like a toothless guard dog .
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Hello,
Just seen this.Smile
As far as I know,
Accurate have a US patent on their twin drag system.
This is not covered world wide.
Yes Accurate are taking action on anyone copying their design within the states. Regardless if anyone is stocking them they are not aloud. Accurate do take this very seriously!
The Accurate twin drag is a washer on each side of the spool.
Dual drag (Penn/Avet etc) is two washers on the same side running one washer in between plus the side of the spool.
They perform very differently.

I believe Pony (JM) uses the Maxel as a base reel and added his parts to them to make them the JM PE range that we know today. I could be totally wrong?

In regards to Maxel, This a reel manufacturing company that advertises it can make any reel with any name! There are also many more that spam me from that part of the world offering the same thing!

This happens in all industries and is another case of companies from a certain part of the world copying with cheaper labour and materials and no morals.............  
 
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I wonder if Jm will patent there twin docking system now that accurate are copying that design .............
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Sounds pretty spot on re jm and maxel from my readings, maxel real eases the f30 2 months later pony is releasing it under a difrnt name. Much like Holden and Opel! Still great products which ever way you go!
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Originally posted by Grim Reefer Grim Reefer wrote:

Sounds pretty spot on re jm and maxel from my readings, maxel real eases the f30 2 months later pony is releasing it under a difrnt name. Much like Holden and Opel! Still great products which ever way you go!
yes but a Holden isn't near twice of the price of the Opel just because it bares a different name....
 
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Originally posted by the angler the angler wrote:

I wonder if Jm will patent there twin docking system now that accurate are copying that design .............


Here we go.Smile

Many brands of reels had single and twin dawgs before JM. 

What one needs to do is pull JM and Accurate reels down and actually have a look.
Both do the same job but are different in design and material used. I know which I'd have.
One also needs to look at a both brands after a couple years of hard jigging and see how each has warn.

I wonder if Shimano will patent the JM Smella spools.
I wonder if Tica will patent the twin drag system they use in there dual drag game reels.
I wonder if I'll catch a Kingie at Mayor tomorrow.
I wonder if I should have lunch.
I wonder if the dog next door will stop barking.
I wonder, I wonder I do, if there are marshions on Mars driving six wheeled cars..............Smile
 

  
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Originally posted by Men In Black Men In Black wrote:

Originally posted by Grim Reefer Grim Reefer wrote:

Sounds pretty spot on re jm and maxel from my readings, maxel real eases the f30 2 months later pony is releasing it under a difrnt name. Much like Holden and Opel! Still great products which ever way you go!
yes but a Holden isn't near twice of the Opel just because it bares a different name....
 

This won't help either....
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Where do you buy shimano smellas ?.
Which reels had twin dawgs before Jm ?
I wonder if this blatant bashing of a competitors brand by a individual with a vested financial interest in promoting his own brand will go unnoticed?
Hmmm so many questions.
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Before JM developed their own reels they used to use Accurate reels and modify them with their twin docking kits because of the Accurate AR bearing failures at the high drag settings they used. They also installed longer crank arms more suited to jigging for large Kingfish and other species. Bear in mind that Accurate reels were developed with the American angler in mind and not for us Kiwis down here in Kingfish heaven.
 
Because of the twin dogs used in the JM reels the strain is almost eliminated from the very high quality German made INA anti-reverse bearing used. We have never seen or heard of a JM anti-reverse bearing failing. The JM reels were developed first and foremost as a jigging reel. They have proven to be extremely reliable and more than able performers on our large and brutal Kingfish.
 
There is no doubt that the twin drag concept developed by Accurate is a brilliant innovation and we should all be thankful for that. However, time moves on and finally Accurate has learned the advantage of back up anti-reverse dogs.
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Originally posted by the angler the angler wrote:

Where do you buy shimano smellas ?.
Which reels had twin dawgs before Jm ?
I wonder if this blatant bashing of a competitors brand by a individual with a vested financial interest in promoting his own brand will go unnoticed?
Hmmm so many questions.


Shimano Smella, just thought that was funny in a post that is going no where. (sorry if anyone has been offended)
In my personal opinion as a fisherman not a brand agent.
Shimano Stella, Accurate SR, Daiwa dog fight. All very strong all round reels and the top three for me personally, personal choice is the only dictator.

As a brand agent,
Yes I will protect my brand when incorrect things are said.




 
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