Accurates Dual Drag Patent
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Printed Date: 04 Feb 2026 at 12:21pm
Topic: Accurates Dual Drag Patent
Posted By: Millkman
Subject: Accurates Dual Drag Patent
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2013 at 8:20am
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Kane, (and others) What is your take on this one? In the US and maybe worldwide?, Accurate took out Patents so that no one else could do Dual Drags on their overhead Reels, but i think more than one manufacturer is doing it here - JM and now Maxel.... So if these Patents are in place, is Accurate looking to protect them? Please correct me if any of the above in incorrect, ------------- Getdatfish |
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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2013 at 8:22am
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Only in USA Millkman. I believe JM were forced to use single drags in there US models only. -------------  www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: Grim Reefer
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2013 at 9:13am
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Go the maxel sea lion dual drag range., great reels and who cares bout the politics just enjoy the products:). Some great new reels comming out of all camps ATM. Seems jm is behind maxel by about 2 months. ------------- Previously Rodzilla, new boat new name. |
Posted By: the angler
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2013 at 8:37pm
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Sounds like a urban myth as avet sell dual drag reels and I have brought a jm dual drag in tha past from kill song out of the us when the exchange rate peaked. Well they may have a patent but possibly the rest of the world doesn't care . |
Posted By: Starnsy
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2013 at 8:41pm
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As Kaveman said, pretty sure its a US patent... ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2013 at 9:06pm
Correct, but once Accurate issued patent copyright, JM had to cease selling them in USA only ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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the angler wrote:Posted By: the angler
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2013 at 9:42pm
| How come avet use dual drags and sell them in the states ? And how come twin drag jigging masters are still for sale in the states ? Hhhmmmm so many questions , does anyone really care or are they just thumbing there noses at accurate and going yeah you have got a patent but na we won't stop selling our reels u silly yanky doodle Dandy |
Posted By: Men In Black
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2013 at 8:32am
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Accurate, Maxel, JM all have use a drag disk either side of the spool in their twin drag reels... Avet on the other hand use a double disk on the drive side of the spool in their Raptor series so there is more than enough of a difference in design so as not to effect the Accurate patent.... As for the rest they have pretty much copied the Accurate twin drag system... Accurate are also about to release their new Boss reel series the Dauntlass in the 400, 500 ,and 600 sizes. All have twin anti reverse Dogs and a bigger diameter drive shaft... ------------- www.synit.co.nz |
Posted By: Garry 23041
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2013 at 9:03am
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I don't know how it's quantified but I think if your design is 20% different you are good to go. Color is not included as a difference.
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Posted By: the angler
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2013 at 10:59am
| Twin drag jm 's are stii for sale in the us so I guess patent is like a toothless guard dog . |
Posted By: Jig Master
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2013 at 4:51pm
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Hello, Just seen this.  As far as I know, Accurate have a US patent on their twin drag system. This is not covered world wide. Yes Accurate are taking action on anyone copying their design within the states. Regardless if anyone is stocking them they are not aloud. Accurate do take this very seriously! The Accurate twin drag is a washer on each side of the spool. Dual drag (Penn/Avet etc) is two washers on the same side running one washer in between plus the side of the spool. They perform very differently. I believe Pony (JM) uses the Maxel as a base reel and added his parts to them to make them the JM PE range that we know today. I could be totally wrong? In regards to Maxel, This a reel manufacturing company that advertises it can make any reel with any name! There are also many more that spam me from that part of the world offering the same thing! This happens in all industries and is another case of companies from a certain part of the world copying with cheaper labour and materials and no morals............. There was something on Fair go or the likes a few months back with Still chain saw engines...... ------------- If we caught a fish every time, We'd call it catching not fishing....... Check us out at https://www.facebook.com/accuratefishingnz/ |
Posted By: the angler
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2013 at 6:20pm
| I wonder if Jm will patent there twin docking system now that accurate are copying that design ............. |
Posted By: Grim Reefer
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2013 at 8:02am
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Sounds pretty spot on re jm and maxel from my readings, maxel real eases the f30 2 months later pony is releasing it under a difrnt name. Much like Holden and Opel! Still great products which ever way you go! ------------- Previously Rodzilla, new boat new name. |
Posted By: Men In Black
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2013 at 8:32am
yes but a Holden isn't near twice of the price of the Opel just because it bares a different name.... ------------- www.synit.co.nz |
Posted By: Jig Master
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2013 at 12:51pm
Here we go. Many brands of reels had single and twin dawgs before JM. What one needs to do is pull JM and Accurate reels down and actually have a look. Both do the same job but are different in design and material used. I know which I'd have. One also needs to look at a both brands after a couple years of hard jigging and see how each has warn. I wonder if Shimano will patent the JM Smella spools. I wonder if Tica will patent the twin drag system they use in there dual drag game reels. I wonder if I'll catch a Kingie at Mayor tomorrow. I wonder if I should have lunch. I wonder if the dog next door will stop barking. I wonder, I wonder I do, if there are marshions on Mars driving six wheeled cars.............. ------------- If we caught a fish every time, We'd call it catching not fishing....... Check us out at https://www.facebook.com/accuratefishingnz/ |
Posted By: Jig Master
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2013 at 12:54pm
This won't help either.... Get a ford!!!  ------------- If we caught a fish every time, We'd call it catching not fishing....... Check us out at https://www.facebook.com/accuratefishingnz/ |
Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2013 at 12:55pm
Blasphemy  |
Posted By: the angler
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2013 at 7:43am
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Where do you buy shimano smellas ?. Which reels had twin dawgs before Jm ? I wonder if this blatant bashing of a competitors brand by a individual with a vested financial interest in promoting his own brand will go unnoticed? Hmmm so many questions. |
Posted By: chopsticks
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2013 at 6:33pm
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Before JM developed their own reels they used to use Accurate reels and modify them with their twin docking kits because of the Accurate AR bearing failures at the high drag settings they used. They also installed longer crank arms more suited to jigging for large Kingfish and other species. Bear in mind that Accurate reels were developed with the American angler in mind and not for us Kiwis down here in Kingfish heaven. Because of the twin dogs used in the JM reels the strain is almost eliminated from the very high quality German made INA anti-reverse bearing used. We have never seen or heard of a JM anti-reverse bearing failing. The JM reels were developed first and foremost as a jigging reel. They have proven to be extremely reliable and more than able performers on our large and brutal Kingfish. There is no doubt that the twin drag concept developed by Accurate is a brilliant innovation and we should all be thankful for that. However, time moves on and finally Accurate has learned the advantage of back up anti-reverse dogs. ------------- CONFIDENCE: The feeling you have before fully understanding the situation. |
Posted By: Jig Master
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2013 at 12:02pm
Shimano Smella, just thought that was funny in a post that is going no where. (sorry if anyone has been offended) In my personal opinion as a fisherman not a brand agent. Shimano Stella, Accurate SR, Daiwa dog fight. All very strong all round reels and the top three for me personally, personal choice is the only dictator. As a brand agent, Yes I will protect my brand when incorrect things are said. ------------- If we caught a fish every time, We'd call it catching not fishing....... Check us out at https://www.facebook.com/accuratefishingnz/ |
Posted By: Jig Master
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2013 at 12:43pm
This is pretty much correct. Although any reels with dawgs will not load the AR bearing. You don't even need the bearing in there. It just makes the reel feel tighter on the back lash or wind back. The issue with dawgs is the noise, Good on Accurate for trying something new. To be honest it is not the strength of the bearing that is the problem. I have never had a properly maintained bearing fail. The AR bearings fail when they are not maintained not because they are not strong enough! The bearings in the JM's are the same as the accurate ones but the Accurate has two with no dawgs. As a fisherman, I own a PE5 along with other brands. As a jigger I would rather fish a quiet reel. Due to the amount of winding one does. I have taken the the Dawgs out of my PE5 reel and added another AR bearing (same as Boss Accurate series). This reel has caught many fish and around two years old with no failings re. the AR bearing. As a agent, Accurate and I have relised the problem of only running a AR bearing is the general public wait until something goes wrong before they service the reel. And when you don't have a back up this is a real problem. We still want the reel to be quiet. So for the past couple of years we have been developing a better wearing and quieter dawg system. Stay posted for next relise of Accurate DFS Slammers! This reel will be a combo of everything I have learned over the past 8 or so years of being a big part of the development of modern jigging reels in NZ. JM and Accurate have been the most proactive in building jigging reels that can handle day in day out jigging. Sometimes when you are the frist to do things you are also the first to learn if it works or not! ------------- If we caught a fish every time, We'd call it catching not fishing....... Check us out at https://www.facebook.com/accuratefishingnz/ |
Posted By: the angler
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2013 at 12:58pm
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If you can hear your reel while you are jigging your stereo isn't loud enough . Psycadelic trance turns kings on. |
Posted By: Jig Master
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2013 at 1:12pm
I like it, any good digitally recorded bass/drum tracks 90's on wards. Personally I'd have rock/metal. Rammstien Duhast is a goody.... ------------- If we caught a fish every time, We'd call it catching not fishing....... Check us out at https://www.facebook.com/accuratefishingnz/ |
Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2013 at 6:24pm
Rammstien gets you jacked up when your in a good fight! With a kingfish I mean...  ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: ELEVAR
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2013 at 6:44pm
I prefer rammstien rammlied kane
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Posted By: the angler
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2013 at 7:52pm
| Infected mushroom doof doof ya ? |
Posted By: swordfishsteve
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2013 at 6:05pm
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To All Why not just buy the best Alutecnos Gorilla range of reels that have a super reliable Anti Reverse bearing that Never Fails, No Dawgs or back up anti reverse Docks, or anything other than A High Quality Anti Reverse Bearing and lip seals on both ends of handle shaft to prevent water ingress and keep bearing lubricant inside, end of story, totally silent and 100% reliable. Alutecnos have been using this system for years, can't understand why other so called High end reels do not use this? Just an Idea??? Swordfishsteve ------------- REEL REPAIR GUY - Swordfishsteve, That Is Who I Am and That is What I Do : See More At :www.reelrepairguy.co.nz |
Posted By: Garry 23041
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2013 at 7:02pm
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Hi Steve, Did you get any snaps in the bay on the weekend? Oh, and if I buy another reel my wife will hurt me!
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Posted By: swordfishsteve
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2013 at 6:52am
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Hi Garry Just little snaps for me, just playing around with new Furuno, great product, you don't need anymore reels until Xmas, then go for it! Swordfishsteve ------------- REEL REPAIR GUY - Swordfishsteve, That Is Who I Am and That is What I Do : See More At :www.reelrepairguy.co.nz |
Posted By: Garry 23041
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2013 at 7:22am
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so much better than the old sounder then? What are the main things that strike you initially? I put all those marks in and mine looks like it's full, hell of a mess. Will end getting rid of a bunch no doubt, as I pick through them. |
Posted By: Jig Master
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2013 at 9:03am
Finally the perfect reel Although one could almost buy two of another brand I know for the price. Same features, although bigger main shaft,bigger AR bearing, more comfortable knob and O yea a twin drag system. ------------- If we caught a fish every time, We'd call it catching not fishing....... Check us out at https://www.facebook.com/accuratefishingnz/ |
Posted By: swordfishsteve
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2013 at 8:15pm
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Hi Garry Only spent short time entering waypoints etc and tuning sounder in shallow water, much clearer display in sunlight with sunnies on, accufish feature is great, obviously having a TM260 transducer is far superior to the lowrance Skimmer unit, so time will tell with regards to deep water performance, I am back up this weekend for prizegiving at Bowling club so will get out again for more action, catch you soon, cheers swordfishsteve ------------- REEL REPAIR GUY - Swordfishsteve, That Is Who I Am and That is What I Do : See More At :www.reelrepairguy.co.nz |