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    Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 3:04pm
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Stumbled on this vid while surfing the net for a stickbait/popper rod. There are some negative comments about how the angler was handling the rod and the amount of drag that he was on the reel. Basically most ppl were saying he should not hold the rod too close to the reel as this is a weak spot(its were the rod split), and that he should loosen the drag down a bit.

What you guys think.. Angler Error or Gear Failure?

Im after opinions from guys here that have experience with handling such big fish on long stickbait/popper rods and I dont want to start any Brand Bashing as I had some good second hand rating on the rod from ppl who use it. But recommendations are very welcome as Im sorting out what rod to get. Cheers!Thumbs Up




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I can't see many rods surviving that sort of treatment = angler error...
 
Unless it was a Carpenter...LOL
 
I've got the lighter model Caranx (8406) and they are very strong and light rods - excellent for casting poppers and stick baits from the rocks.
 
Miss Carpenter will be kept for the boat...
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That is a hard one to pick eh Kenshin. A Long high modulos graphite rods and an angler with massive drag pressure and a fish charging under the boat it seems ain't gonna fair well.

I would pick angler error as he should have held the rod higher up the foregrip and did not lower his rod enough to get the correct angle on the fish which was heading towards him and he was still trying to keep the rod high. 
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Bit of both I guess I think a Carpenter would have lived to fight another day.....Might have a rod to match that Stella if you are interested Ariel.......
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True Muppet.. reason I posted this topic. I wonder if the but section is too long for him as he has fairly short arms(not that mine are longer) or gimble was too high. But if notice at 00:19 he did try to lower the rod and a sec after bang!!




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Originally posted by jetskiauckland jetskiauckland wrote:

Bit of both I guess I think a Carpenter would have lived to fight another day.....Might have a rod to match that Stella if you are interested Ariel.......

Yeah let me know Brian.. not a Rush still got about 2 mos time before I neededWink. MC Works perhaps?
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I just wonder how far that fish came towards him and at what speed Kenshin, I ain't ever hooked anything like that but I know its all about putting the rod in the right place and he just seemed like he was'nt ready to be charged at.LOL
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That was asking a lot from that or any rod, lazy angler should have got that rod under his arm as the fish came along side the boat.
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Originally posted by jetskiauckland jetskiauckland wrote:

Bit of both I guess I think a Carpenter would have lived to fight another day.....Might have a rod to match that Stella if you are interested Ariel.......
 
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Originally posted by Aaron32987 Aaron32987 wrote:

Originally posted by jetskiauckland jetskiauckland wrote:

Bit of both I guess I think a Carpenter would have lived to fight another day.....Might have a rod to match that Stella if you are interested Ariel.......
 
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Have you fished a Carpenter Aaron? After battling a rather large kingfish directly under the boat at the princess group i have a lot of respect for what they can withstandLOL
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Had his hand been on the up on the fore grip may have been a different story. 
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That guys hard on the rod for sure thats allot of drag to make that rod bend like that... the up side is its repairable, it was the butt section that broke not the forward blank. I use one of these rods as well, yet to break mine. Some may argue you need to use it though :D 

 Jet ski.. keep in mind the price difference between a carpenter and a Kaibatsu.
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Hmm my Smiths has been bent way further than that and lived to catch another even bigger one


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Thing is in that situation on a lever drag reel and game rod for example you would back off the drag quickly and efficiently. But with the longer rod, spinning reel and fish changing direction in a second it gotta be hard to do that.
Kenshin I agree with the butt section being to long for him also.
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Originally posted by jetskiauckland jetskiauckland wrote:

Originally posted by Aaron32987 Aaron32987 wrote:

Originally posted by jetskiauckland jetskiauckland wrote:

Bit of both I guess I think a Carpenter would have lived to fight another day.....Might have a rod to match that Stella if you are interested Ariel.......
 
snapLOL

Have you fished a Carpenter Aaron? After battling a rather large kingfish directly under the boat at the princess group i have a lot of respect for what they can withstandLOL
 
yet to blood my blue chaser since buying it second hand a month or so ago, but tested on the kids, dragging their bikes backwards up the drive.LOL
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Originally posted by Aaron32987 Aaron32987 wrote:

 
yet to blood my blue chaser since buying it second hand a month or so ago, but tested on the kids, dragging their bikes backwards up the drive.LOL
 

thats a novel way to test gear haha
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This is an old vid ariel...To me its straight forward...every rod has a recommended drag rating.....This F###kkwitt locked his drag up...so there would only be one result= Fish heavier than max drag rating of rod and very little  line released....If he had been holding it in the correct spot..it still would have snapped IMHO but sure that didnt help. That was their gruntiest rod too.........Angler Dawwked rod.The rod snapped just as it took line...Imagine how much force he had put on that rod with such a heavy drag.The fact the rod was higher up,should have worked is his favour.
with ref "is the gimbal too high"  would have thought it would be better to have it a bit high,rather than low to reduce the rod angle.
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Originally posted by Boulder Boulder wrote:

Hmm my Smiths has been bent way further than that and lived to catch another even bigger one
i agree...the bend in the rod didnt look too bad but it snapped when the line was straight down but ive had bends like that off the bricks.Visualize that bend stood up off the bricks and it looks pretty sweetLOL
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Played it with sound definetly a sticky horrible Daiwa drag he needed a StellaLOL
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