Shimano Caranx Kaibutsu Busted
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Topic: Shimano Caranx Kaibutsu Busted
Posted By: Kenshin
Subject: Shimano Caranx Kaibutsu Busted
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 3:04pm
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Stumbled on this vid while surfing the net for a stickbait/popper rod. There are some negative comments about how the angler was handling the rod and the amount of drag that he was on the reel. Basically most ppl were saying he should not hold the rod too close to the reel as this is a weak spot(its were the rod split), and that he should loosen the drag down a bit. What you guys think.. Angler Error or Gear Failure? Im after opinions from guys here that have experience with handling such big fish on long stickbait/popper rods and I dont want to start any Brand Bashing as I had some good second hand rating on the rod from ppl who use it. But recommendations are very welcome as Im sorting out what rod to get. Cheers!  ------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
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Posted By: Aaron32987
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 3:12pm
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I can't see many rods surviving that sort of treatment = angler error...
Unless it was a Carpenter...
 I've got the lighter model Caranx (8406) and they are very strong and light rods - excellent for casting poppers and stick baits from the rocks.
Miss Carpenter will be kept for the boat...
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Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 3:19pm
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That is a hard one to pick eh Kenshin. A Long high modulos graphite rods and an angler with massive drag pressure and a fish charging under the boat it seems ain't gonna fair well. I would pick angler error as he should have held the rod higher up the foregrip and did not lower his rod enough to get the correct angle on the fish which was heading towards him and he was still trying to keep the rod high.
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Posted By: Rockstar from Mars
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 3:24pm
| Bit of both I guess I think a Carpenter would have lived to fight another day.....Might have a rod to match that Stella if you are interested Ariel....... |
Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 3:27pm
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True Muppet.. reason I posted this topic. I wonder if the but section is too long for him as he has fairly short arms(not that mine are longer) or gimble was too high. But if notice at 00:19 he did try to lower the rod and a sec after bang!!   ------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 3:28pm
Yeah let me know Brian.. not a Rush still got about 2 mos time before I needed  . MC Works perhaps?------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
jetskiauckland wrote:Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 3:30pm
I just wonder how far that fish came towards him and at what speed Kenshin, I ain't ever hooked anything like that but I know its all about putting the rod in the right place and he just seemed like he was'nt ready to be charged at.
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Posted By: Nirai
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 3:47pm
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That was asking a lot from that or any rod, lazy angler should have got that rod under his arm as the fish came along side the boat. The way Synit are now joining their rods at the reel seat with anglers leading hand on the fore-grip taking a lot of strain off & supporting the joint is far superior to standard method of joining two piece rods above fore grip IMHO ------------- "Gunrunner" Surtees 610 Game Fisher current *"Double Barrel" Seacat 635 "Good Riddance!" *"Seriola" Surtees 485 CC Retired with honours! |
Posted By: Aaron32987
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 3:54pm
snap
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Posted By: Rockstar from Mars
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 4:01pm
Have you fished a Carpenter Aaron? After battling a rather large kingfish directly under the boat at the princess group i have a lot of respect for what they can withstand
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Posted By: Skipjack
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 4:13pm
| Had his hand been on the up on the fore grip may have been a different story. |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 4:43pm
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That guys hard on the rod for sure thats allot of drag to make that rod bend like that... the up side is its repairable, it was the butt section that broke not the forward blank. I use one of these rods as well, yet to break mine. Some may argue you need to use it though :D
Jet ski.. keep in mind the price difference between a carpenter and a Kaibatsu.
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Posted By: Boulder
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 4:59pm
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Hmm my Smiths has been bent way further than that and lived to catch another even bigger one
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Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 5:15pm
| Thing is in that situation on a lever drag reel and game rod for example you would back off the drag quickly and efficiently. But with the longer rod, spinning reel and fish changing direction in a second it gotta be hard to do that. Kenshin I agree with the butt section being to long for him also. |
Posted By: Aaron32987
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 5:21pm
yet to blood my blue chaser since buying it second hand a month or so ago, but tested on the kids, dragging their bikes backwards up the drive.
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Posted By: C A
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 6:19pm
thats a novel way to test gear haha ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: C A
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 6:21pm
0.05 show us yer crack  ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 6:47pm
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This is an old vid ariel...To me its straight forward...every rod has a recommended drag rating.....This F###kkwitt locked his drag up...so there would only be one result= Fish heavier than max drag rating of rod and very little line released....If he had been holding it in the correct spot..it still would have snapped IMHO but sure that didnt help. That was their gruntiest rod too.........Angler Dawwked rod.The rod snapped just as it took line...Imagine how much force he had put on that rod with such a heavy drag.The fact the rod was higher up,should have worked is his favour. with ref "is the gimbal too high" would have thought it would be better to have it a bit high,rather than low to reduce the rod angle.
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Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 6:59pm
i agree...the bend in the rod didnt look too bad but it snapped when the line was straight down but ive had bends like that off the bricks.Visualize that bend stood up off the bricks and it looks pretty sweet ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 7:10pm
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Played it with sound definetly a sticky horrible Daiwa drag he needed a Stella
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Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 7:11pm
Mate.. I did ask no Brand Bashing. But u do have a point ------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 7:21pm
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Oops! But the rod broke with the drag creaking to go but did'nt!
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Posted By: snapazapa
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 7:23pm
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Agree with hookapuka,looks like it snapped at the reel seat=operator error,looks like that fish was headin under the boat. ------------- Live life to the fullest... |
Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 7:29pm
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Ok, guys.. some valid points w/ regards to Angler Error. WHich begs to ask, has any rod come with a Manual instruction to say this is how you use it or where you hold it? I havent seen one, but do let me know if there is one. Which also comes with a followup question.. can the Manufacturer honor the warranty in this case if such a reason was given? Some had directly and indirectly say that if it was another brand and model of rod/reel this will not happen.. Agree?(proof) Keep it coming...
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Posted By: GingaMatt
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 7:29pm
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I think it's quite funny how people compare rods that reatil for twice the amount as the Caranx. ummm ------------- CATCH US ON FACEBOOK - SHIMANO FISHING NZ |
Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 7:35pm
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Good point Matt, I've contemplated a bit before posting this thread and reason I asked for NO BRAND BASHING. One of the thoughts that came to mind is that it exposed a certain weak point on the rod itself. Its my hunch based on observation purely based on the video. ------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 7:43pm
| All 2 piece rods have a weak point eh Kenshin the join. If a rod breaks and its at the join IMO its broke where its supposed to break and thats at its weakest point. That guy could'nt do much at all stuck in the anchor well at the front of the boat and if he had the drag set a little weaker the rod would have got railed against the bar going around the front of the boat as the fish went directly under the boat. And would probably have broke at that point instead. |
Posted By: GingaMatt
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 7:46pm
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What do you see as this 'Weak Point'? ------------- CATCH US ON FACEBOOK - SHIMANO FISHING NZ |
Posted By: snapazapa
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 7:59pm
After watching it a few times it broke at the reel seat,not the joint,hard one to say mate,if the supplier saw the vid i dont think he would be getting a refund ,a mailto:s@!t - s@!t load of pressure went on the rod just before it went ------------- Live life to the fullest... |
Posted By: LBGer
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 8:26pm
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Here is my 2 cents -(& its only 2 cents).......if you look at the rod, more pressure was on the forward part of the rod- the sort of place that a rod would break at if it was being 'high sticked' not the section directly above the reel seat. The blank section is weaker at the join as has been said, not the part where it broke. While the angler could have done a better job i am convinced that there was a weakness in the blank. If the fish was charging under the boat, the pressure would have come onto the top third section, not the lower section. Having broken a few rods (4 in the last 2 years) myself and seen plenty broken, I have never seen one break at the reel seat. I am sure it has probably been done but it is very uncommon compared to how often they break in the top third.... ------------- A king on the bricks is worth 5 in a boat. |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 10:29pm
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Are you thinking of buying one Ariel? Two things to consider= 1.Mark caught a 31kg king on the Pencil Instrument....the model down a stage or two from the one in the above vid...Marks is designed for pe5 off the top of my head....mark had the common sense to use his rod within its limitations ie let the fish run,hang on and smile,whahoo! The guy in the above vid got greedy with his drag and was scared to let the fish run plus the skip was egging him on to not let the fish run! 2.On the negative side...Look what that king did to it when it was tail whacked on the boat. I know the PI has plenty of followers and used with common sense would be a great rod for sticks and the rocks too. I was looking at the "long cast version."....have a look into that too>Dont think its available in NZ though....Just my 4 cents worth ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 10:33pm
Thanks for the comments LBGer, but how can you say that the weakness was on the blank, where in the blank it self wasn't broken? The breakage was on the but section and isnt a part of the blank(correct if I am wrong). THe butt section is totally separate to the blank. So thats the 2nd good part of my inquiry which nobody has pointed it out yet. We may need some CSI skills here ------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 10:42pm
Its one rod dood which was probably done by too much drag....Dont waste your time,Life is short
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Posted By: Nomis
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 11:13pm
both are avail in nz, and should retail at same price. |
Posted By: LBGer
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 8:51am
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Kenshin, in technical terms I think you will find the lower butt section is considered part of the rod blank.... a rod blank is the full length of the rod upper & lower sections unless it is detachable butt when the lower butt section is made out of a different material - ie aluminium. otherwise if it is made of the same material it is considered to be part of the blank.... ------------- A king on the bricks is worth 5 in a boat. |
Posted By: Elpescador
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 9:06am
I could drum up footage of very expensive rods breaking , but there is no point. there are alot of variables in all failures and they are all relative !!
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Posted By: Aaron32987
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 9:15am
No worries abour breaking one Ariel, if you're fishing 8 kg line from the bricks mate...
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Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 11:08am
Hahahaha... true mate. True. ------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
Posted By: atis
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 11:21am
| I've seen a caranx breaking at Auckland boat show this year at the hunts stand. Some young attendant was showing off and the rod just snapped like made of straw. I was thinking to import the travel caranx, but not anymore... |
Posted By: YeeHaa
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 11:23am
Even best brand in the world doesnt matter in which area, there are still 2-3% of faulty products leak into the market.....This is a real world guys -------------   WWW.YEEHAA.CO.NZ (09)5705058 30 Jellicoe Road Panmure |
Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 11:29am
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So it was faulty rod....and reel
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Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 11:44am
This man hit the nail on the head. every brand of rod out there has had breakages. be it from defects or user error. haters will hate and tackle whores like boulder will buy the best there is out there. The question is if your wallet is big enough to follow suit of what the big boys play with... no offence meant to boulder or the people that cant afford to buy the level of gear this man does. (myself included)
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Posted By: YeeHaa
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 11:45am
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i believe so ...Muppet
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Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 11:52am
What an unlucky man he was, he had a buggered reel, broke his faulty rod and lost his fish. TouGH LUCK!! ------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
Posted By: Elpescador
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 12:17pm
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Posted By: YeeHaa
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 12:23pm
I didnt see anything wrong with his reels tho ------------- WWW.YEEHAA.CO.NZ (09)5705058 30 Jellicoe Road Panmure |
Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 1:59pm
I think theres a subtle joke in there mate  Yeh these dam caranx kaibutsu, can't even handle a chunky kingfish being dropped on it  ------------- Science for the mind and Art for the soul. |
Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 2:16pm
PROOF: ------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
Posted By: Aaron32987
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 2:20pm
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was just trying to find that one again... video of the year, I reckon!
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Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 2:31pm
| Definately a faulty rod there Marx. suggest you take it back and get warranty.... :D oh thats right you did, that has to be one of those keep for ever vids though dude |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 3:02pm
bent butt popping rod Mark might have created a new fad
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Posted By: LBGer
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 3:11pm
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I broke a shimano catana in a shop - attendant held the tip, loaded gently then snap.... I,m gald he had the sense to say 'it shouldnt have done that!'
It was such a good price I bought one (unbroken) any way and havent had any problems at all, despite loading more than the original one that got snapped in the shop....
So yes - there are certainly the few faulty products that get found wanting. ------------- A king on the bricks is worth 5 in a boat. |
Posted By: Gruntled
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 3:16pm
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Excellent
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Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 4:37pm
guess I asked for it Hadn't watched it for a while and yeh its still bloody funny. Almost did another oh no in the car door yesterday
Will only loose it if I have multiple hardrive failure, youtube blows up........ or the world blows up......... in which case harddrive failure and youtube blowing up is likely Will definitely be funny to look back at when I'm old and frail.
Can't see it catching on! ------------- Science for the mind and Art for the soul. |
Posted By: PoppinTonga
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 6:29pm
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Anyone know which model of Kaibutsu was broken in the video? I have a long cast and a surface monster. The rod in the video looks pretty long which would probably be the long cast. To me it looks way over loaded. One issue i have seen with many of these 2 piece rods is that people do not seat the rod all the way down in the butt section. They can be real tight. I had to wax my rod to get it to go all the way in. (this is getting a bit risqué ) With out the wax, they just would not fully seat. I have seen many people using their rods only about 1/2 way in. Can anyone tell if the rod is seated properly?As some folks said, these rods have a really long butt section. I shortened both of mine by 2 inches and they still feel long. So a thought, rod not seated correctly and then gripped too close to the reel and some of the other good points......... recipe for disaster. |
Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 8:21pm
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- Cool vid, those rod's must b jinxd -
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Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 10:12pm
Pretty sure its the surface monster(was for gts)...I know its the most powerful one and heaviest pe rating.....At least with both this vid and the accident that marx had...it wasnt the blank that was snapped and pretty easy to fix...I wonder why they made the butt so long  ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: atis
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 1:16am
Yep!
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Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 7:54am
Yep I've had mine shortened by 3.5"  ....... not convinced the long butt section would have contributed to that guys rod failure, as other have pointed out, simply one faulty blank out of many good ones.Just a point to note, my pencil instrument has no drag rating and there's nothing listed online. I use about 9-10kg and I definitely wouldn't go any higher. ------------- Science for the mind and Art for the soul. |
Posted By: PoppinTonga
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 7:55am
Took a look again, counted 6 eyes, with that it must be a surface monster, or deep monster. The surface monster is the shortest blank of the group and is suppose to be less parabolic. The Deep Monster is 2 inches longer than the surface model and is suppose to be a slower taper to relieve some of the stress on the angler when the fish goes deep. Both are rated at PE 8 - 12 The long cast has 7 eyes and rated at PE 6 - 8. I was told that the butt section was made long for some low slung gimbal belt. Seeing this video again has pretty much convinced me to shorten my butt even more. The 7' 8" Surface Monster I have will end up around 7' 5" when I am done. I would definitely say it was a combo of operator error and equipment flaw. His rod was too high when the fish dove. Just before it broke his rod was rocking on the gimbal from side to side. This is also one reason I do not go to hard on the drag and use my hand for added pressure. It allows me to release quickly if the fish digs in hard like that one did. He had no chance to loosen up.
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Posted By: Nomis
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 11:36am
| Cool vid marx, where were you fishing in that one? |
Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 12:47pm
My 2 piece Offshore Illusion Popstick comes nowhere near tightening up together, it's about half an inch out. Don't think lube is gonna get it any further. Retailer told me it's all good so long as you push down hard with a twist-lock, that is; eyes not aligned with reel seat when pushing in and twisting to line up as it tightens. But, you have got me all concerned now. ------------- 6th place in the inaugural Te Kauwhata Regionals paddle crab division |
Posted By: Falco
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 12:55pm
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I was the same fish i,I had a rod until last weekend that ended up always going in until it was half and inch or so from being "fully" seated.
Wether it was a cold day or what I am unsure but a little bit of rod wax like normal and for some reason it slid all the way home - weird.
I am really careful with it too,no forcing it together - it came apart ok aswell.
I had alway thought it was to allow for wear etc...but this rod has not been high use in fact is new and on its 10th or so mating - it has me stumped.
Either that or I am stronger.. ------------- as dead as dead is |
Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 1:18pm
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I got a 2pc Popper stick about a year ago that is not coming thru the joint fully. It was a prototype from a well known brand. Put wax on it and it went thru fully. Until one day I noticed even going down full, the but section somehow lost its tightness and I can easily pull the top part. Didnt mind it until one day I casted out and the top part flew away with the lure. ------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
Posted By: Titahi
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 1:20pm
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Rod wax = foreplay... Nothing like going deep Ay Falco
P.S thats my dose of sarcasim for this week over with...Whew! ------------- "I love standing by the ocean and just knowing what its for" |
Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 1:47pm
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So you can actually buy specific rod wax for this purpose??
------------- 6th place in the inaugural Te Kauwhata Regionals paddle crab division |
Posted By: LBGer
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 2:34pm
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I have spoken to a couple of rod builders (Sean at Just Fishing, Graeme Patterson at Synit) and they have indicated that when the male ferrule doesnt go all the way in it is to allow for wear, so its not something to be alarmed about..... it does look a little bit weird though when their is binding on either end and it doesnt seem meet but there is a space between them, unlike rod joins that are 50/50 in the middle. ------------- A king on the bricks is worth 5 in a boat. |
Posted By: Falco
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 2:45pm
I used to use candle wax,it also keeps the salt water out of the join,(potential wear from crystals?)
and then I just had to by some chapstick type "SMITH Ferrulle wax"
It is a little softer than ordinary candle wax,but probably just a softer blend of the same stuff. ------------- as dead as dead is |
Posted By: Bunzo
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 3:22pm
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The Ferrule wax is a must have in the tropics as you have the opposite to Falco's problem, some of the rods are even 'sanded' so only 10mm of the male sleeve sticks out of the handle as often recommended, the wax certainly helps when pulling the rods apart as well, allthough I noticed no problem in the 'cool' Mt Maunganui weather last week . Cleaning the boat on Monday morning in 3deg was fun.
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Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 5:06pm
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Yeh I've had some difficulty pulling the 2 parts together and sometime even more difficulty getting them out. Apparently you shouldn't twist the rod to manoeuvre it in. I sanded the blank bank (lightly!) with 2000 grit and use dry glide, which is silicon based I think. Comes out of a spray can. ------------- Science for the mind and Art for the soul. |
Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 5:07pm
Cheers mate, just out of ngunguru / tutukaka. ------------- Science for the mind and Art for the soul. |
Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 8:34pm
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Oh ok. Mine is not tight at all, just comes to a stop and is easily tightened and comes apart just as easily. So, not so concerned I guess. Was thinking temp may have been an issue as another two piece I have which is usually sweet to join up tight and snug and come apart has been a biaatch as of late. Will see what my engineer supply wizards can prescribe me tomorrow before I go down the track of 'fishing' branded lube. Thanks community,
------------- 6th place in the inaugural Te Kauwhata Regionals paddle crab division |
Posted By: Big Reddy
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2011 at 9:58pm
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I'd be more pissed at losing the fish then breaking a rod, closely followed by the camera mans annoying voice. Looked to me as though the angler was in a bad position, jammed in the anchor well with the bow rail preventing him dropping the rod tip lower to counter the fish plunging under the boat. Probably should have been up on the bow with someone spotting him. Maybe a Calstar grafighter 700XH would have saved the situation? ------------- “Drive for Show, Putt for Dough”: |