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Hey guys I know very little about brands of rods and reel due to the fact most of  my fishing rods have primarily come from the Red Shed and Rebels specials lol, Basically I went for a LBG fish of the rock with a rod/reel combo I had never used a Penn 330GTI its okay but I could quite give it enough stick as I wanted cant help but think it contributed to the loss of the best fish I may have ever had so basically I'm asking you guys this" I need a rod and reel that could easily handle a Kingi of the bricks something super strong" also im 6ft 3 so A rod I could really leanbackk on would be awesome, any advice?
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That's a question with no short answer mate! But I'll kick it off to start with...
If you're going to fish for kings then buying cheap gear is a complete waste of time! They're big, serious fish and you don't often get hooked up to them. When you do, you want to give yourself the best chance you can of landing them I reckon!
So, reels first. I've got a 330gti which I used to use for deep water Puka fishing in the cook straight so it's got plenty of grunt, there shouldn't be a problem there at all. I've hauled puka from 150m with it before! Don't forget that it doesn't matter what reel you're using (unless it's an 80 wide game reel!) that when a good king goes on a run it's going to be taking line.
But with it being level wind I've never bothered using it for LBG as it's just another thing that can go wrong. I've got a couple of TLD 25s which I use and most people I know seem to have one tucked away somewhere for livebaiting. They're popular for good reason being reliable and fairly grunty. You can push them to about 11kg drag which is plenty when you're standing up! You could go up to a 30 or 50 if you wanted, they'd certainly give you even more stopping power but make sure you've got a gimbal!
Rods: the simple rule is that the longer the rod the bigger the lever the fish has to work on you with. Not so important when you're snapper fishing and 8 or 9 ft is fine even on a big snap and the length helps keep them out of snags, but for kings it's a different story. I use an LBG rod with heavy duty guides on a calstar blank which is a serious bit of rod and has handled some reasonable bronzies with no problem at all. Generally I reckon you want to go no longer than 7ft and a rod that's rated to 24kg. Stay well away from hard chrome guides and make sure it's got good fujis or better. A great starting place would be to go see Matt or his old man at Just Fishin on Wairau Rd if you're in Auckland.
If you're really keen you could go custom built which is what I was going to do until the calstar came up. You'd be looking at prob $650 min for this though, so you need to be keen!
Dunno if that helps much - hope so :)
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tld25 i believe is the popular option, mine is still awaiting first blood however I've got mine on a jellytip
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Rocky 2? Loving mine at the moment mate - fish it with the slx30 and it got a good workout this last weekend :) :). Loaded it up before on a bronzie and seemed ok, wonder how it'd go on a king...hopefully find out up at doubtless bay aye? ;)
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Paul, do you want it just for kings as in a dedicated livebait setup? If so then an overhead 15-24kg set would be the way to go.
 
Or would you rather have a heavy spin setup that you could also use for snapper etc?
 
Personally I'd be looking to go for the former and go for something like an TLD25 or TLD30 (or daiwa equivalent) overhead reel, spooled with either 15 or 24kg and a 15-24kg rod tu suit thats 6ft6 to 7ft6 long. There are various rod options available but perosnally I like the older kilwell stuff, the CD rods and the offshores.
 
Have a look on trademe and see what is around as you can often pick up decent 2nd hand LBG rods and reels on there
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forsyth - just sold my rocky II as it doesnt get used as much as it use to. Been fishing mine with a tourium 20 for snapper but have used it for kings a fair bit.
 
Have landed a 26kg king on it on 15kg and more recently one around 18kg also on 15kg and its hardwork with that 10-15kg rod compared to a decent 7ft 24kg jobby! Just doesnt have the grunt where it really counts.
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Nah bro Old school Kilwell Jellytip 10-15kg 8fter. Hard chrome guides overhead model, picked up 2nd hand off muppet. Def. keen to put some bendage on it at doubtless!

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I got an offshore LBG70 earlier this year for live baiting and it's certainly got plenty of power....
Unfortunately the only thing I've caught on it has been a foul hooked ray and a couple of big kahawai that have scoffed piper livies.
 
The next few days might be a good time for buying tackle.. With the boat show on quite a few stores are having sales.
 
 
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JK - that's a great king on 15kg mate, you'd have had to be pretty happy about that!
I love the rod but I don't know that I'd be that confident in it for livebaiting. Hopefully can get a king on it myself to see how it goes ;)

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Yeah havent used mine for livebaiting, both were caught on skipped piper as are most my kings nowadays
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Originally posted by JK JK wrote:

forsyth - just sold my rocky II as it doesnt get used as much as it use to. Been fishing mine with a tourium 20 for snapper but have used it for kings a fair bit.
 
Have landed a 26kg king on it on 15kg and more recently one around 18kg also on 15kg and its hardwork with that 10-15kg rod compared to a decent 7ft 24kg jobby! Just doesnt have the grunt where it really counts.


says it all mate, dont know why people go for length, said it here many times before for those starting off, watch marlin from the rocks and see the difference between long and short, some times size dont matter and game fishing from the rocks is one of those times.Wink
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Yeah BA that's the way of it mate. Shorter grunty rods are good for the angler and not so good for the fish! Long rods are just going to make life difficult on yourself.
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Awesome guys thanks heaps for you advice its great so if I go for the TLDs of the rocks am I using braid or nylon? whats best and aslo winding up the drags is that an easy feet or one for the professionals Regards Paul
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Originally posted by Blue Asparagus Blue Asparagus wrote:

Originally posted by JK JK wrote:

forsyth - just sold my rocky II as it doesnt get used as much as it use to. Been fishing mine with a tourium 20 for snapper but have used it for kings a fair bit.
 
Have landed a 26kg king on it on 15kg and more recently one around 18kg also on 15kg and its hardwork with that 10-15kg rod compared to a decent 7ft 24kg jobby! Just doesnt have the grunt where it really counts.


says it all mate, dont know why people go for length, said it here many times before for those starting off, watch marlin from the rocks and see the difference between long and short, some times size dont matter and game fishing from the rocks is one of those times.Wink

Its not so much the length,its the action and grunt of the rod.The taller rod has the advantage of keeping the line away from the rocks,especially when in close and creates a steeper line angle on the fish during the fight.I have a composite developments 15-24 kg lbg rod(which is designed for this purpose),i also have 3 rocky 2s which are 10-15 kg.
They are both the same length near enough.I have caught sharks on the composite and it was a pleasure,the rocky 2 would need more patience and of course the line would be lighter,so more careful,less power in the blank..The ledge you are fishing,foul ground,deep water could all influence you.At the end of the day.match your tackle to your catch(If you can!).I think the rocky 2 would be good for GTs off the rocks if it had better quality guides.Anyone ever tried the lime tip rocky 2 ?I think the rocky 2 is so good for snapper because they tend to dive for kelp,bottom,really quickly and persist at trying to get there.Thats where having the length helps to lift them up.eg look at geoff thomas on snapper secrets catching that 30 pound snapper with a surfcaster rod and a shimano baitrunner!You take the pressure off big snapper for a moment and they bust you(had it happen).Kingies fight different.More power/stamina.If i am still connected after 5 mins i feel confident!  when using the rocky 2 for snapper,you are targeting fish up to 10-15 kg tops which is within the line rating of the rod.when fishing the lbg 15-24 you are targeting fish in the 15-24 kg range = kingfish size and up!
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use nylon! TLD's have lever drag and are easy to adjust when needed. When winding.. just spread it evenly with your thumb, as line is going in.. you will find that its not that hard once you tried it. Dont forget to get a gimbal belt aswell.
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Jk im only going to use it for kingis nothing else
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Length is good when a fish dives under a deep ledge at your feet I remember that happening to someone on the pinnacles when hooked to kingie aye BA LOL
 
I like 10ft 2 pieces for snapps too they give distance on casting when needed.
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I have the baitrunner 6500b and 7ft backbone elite rod. Havn't caught anything big on it yet, and no kings :( but it's taken a hell of a beating over some pretty dodgy landscape and other than some scratches is going strong :)
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Originally posted by keep on fishing keep on fishing wrote:

Jk im only going to use it for kingis nothing else

POSITIVE=Like everyone says here.Use nylon and go for a 15-24 kg (7 foot rod approx) .Shimano tld 25 is the go too.Light,reliable and great drag.Just for kings(medium to large).
Beauty is=You can use this set up on the boat,live baiting/trolling as well.Very easy to find a suitable rod as above.Line = 15 or 24 kg.plenty of line capacity.
NEGATIVE= wouldnt want to try to cast with it Lol !

Rocky 2(8 foot 3)10--15kg  and either shimano baitrunner 6500b for spinning reel or an overhead of your choice.
POSITIVE=good for snapper and kingis(ive caught a 22.5 kg kingi with this).Ideal for snaps all sizes and small to medium kings. Hard chrome guides better suited to o/head reel and good for casting dead baits like jk mentioned eg piper,pilchards,bonito etc.light weight rod.
NEGATIVE= Spinning reels can be used but dont cast as well,due to smaller guides.Especially in the heavier line weights.Still reasonable casting though.Can land bigger kings/rays but more tiring and less control over the fish.The 6500 line capacity is limited in heavier line.
I dont go for braid off the rocks personally.Not very abrasion resistant.Fish feel it when straylining i reckon.cheers
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Really interesting LBD2 im trying to take this all in so I can make the best informed desicion
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