LBG rod and reel
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Topic: LBG rod and reel
Posted By: pure--lure
Subject: LBG rod and reel
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 10:23am
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Hey guys I know very little about brands of rods and reel due to the fact most of my fishing rods have primarily come from the Red Shed and Rebels specials lol, Basically I went for a LBG fish of the rock with a rod/reel combo I had never used a Penn 330GTI its okay but I could quite give it enough stick as I wanted cant help but think it contributed to the loss of the best fish I may have ever had so basically I'm asking you guys this" I need a rod and reel that could easily handle a Kingi of the bricks something super strong" also im 6ft 3 so A rod I could really leanbackk on would be awesome, any advice? ------------- http://www.facebook.com/groups/hibiscus.coast.fishing/ |
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Posted By: Fishybznz
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 10:53am
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That's a question with no short answer mate! But I'll kick it off to start with... If you're going to fish for kings then buying cheap gear is a complete waste of time! They're big, serious fish and you don't often get hooked up to them. When you do, you want to give yourself the best chance you can of landing them I reckon! So, reels first. I've got a 330gti which I used to use for deep water Puka fishing in the cook straight so it's got plenty of grunt, there shouldn't be a problem there at all. I've hauled puka from 150m with it before! Don't forget that it doesn't matter what reel you're using (unless it's an 80 wide game reel!) that when a good king goes on a run it's going to be taking line. But with it being level wind I've never bothered using it for LBG as it's just another thing that can go wrong. I've got a couple of TLD 25s which I use and most people I know seem to have one tucked away somewhere for livebaiting. They're popular for good reason being reliable and fairly grunty. You can push them to about 11kg drag which is plenty when you're standing up! You could go up to a 30 or 50 if you wanted, they'd certainly give you even more stopping power but make sure you've got a gimbal! Rods: the simple rule is that the longer the rod the bigger the lever the fish has to work on you with. Not so important when you're snapper fishing and 8 or 9 ft is fine even on a big snap and the length helps keep them out of snags, but for kings it's a different story. I use an LBG rod with heavy duty guides on a calstar blank which is a serious bit of rod and has handled some reasonable bronzies with no problem at all. Generally I reckon you want to go no longer than 7ft and a rod that's rated to 24kg. Stay well away from hard chrome guides and make sure it's got good fujis or better. A great starting place would be to go see Matt or his old man at Just Fishin on Wairau Rd if you're in Auckland. If you're really keen you could go custom built which is what I was going to do until the calstar came up. You'd be looking at prob $650 min for this though, so you need to be keen! Dunno if that helps much - hope so :) ------------- NZFisher: Get your free monthly fishing magazine emailed straight to you. http://www.nzfisher.co.nz |
Posted By: EditB
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 10:54am
tld25 i believe is the popular option, mine is still awaiting first blood however  I've got mine on a jellytip ------------- I do not lie about fishing, I willingly participate in a campaign of misinformation. |
Posted By: Fishybznz
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 10:59am
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Rocky 2? Loving mine at the moment mate - fish it with the slx30 and it got a good workout this last weekend :) :). Loaded it up before on a bronzie and seemed ok, wonder how it'd go on a king...hopefully find out up at doubtless bay aye? ;)
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Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 11:02am
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Paul, do you want it just for kings as in a dedicated livebait setup? If so then an overhead 15-24kg set would be the way to go.
Or would you rather have a heavy spin setup that you could also use for snapper etc?
Personally I'd be looking to go for the former and go for something like an TLD25 or TLD30 (or daiwa equivalent) overhead reel, spooled with either 15 or 24kg and a 15-24kg rod tu suit thats 6ft6 to 7ft6 long. There are various rod options available but perosnally I like the older kilwell stuff, the CD rods and the offshores.
Have a look on trademe and see what is around as you can often pick up decent 2nd hand LBG rods and reels on there ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 11:05am
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forsyth - just sold my rocky II as it doesnt get used as much as it use to. Been fishing mine with a tourium 20 for snapper but have used it for kings a fair bit.
Have landed a 26kg king on it on 15kg and more recently one around 18kg also on 15kg and its hardwork with that 10-15kg rod compared to a decent 7ft 24kg jobby! Just doesnt have the grunt where it really counts. ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: EditB
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 11:06am
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Nah bro Old school Kilwell Jellytip 10-15kg 8fter. Hard chrome guides overhead model, picked up 2nd hand off muppet. Def. keen to put some bendage on it at doubtless!
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Posted By: Pico
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 12:12pm
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I got an offshore LBG70 earlier this year for live baiting and it's certainly got plenty of power....
Unfortunately the only thing I've caught on it has been a foul hooked ray and a couple of big kahawai that have scoffed piper livies.
The next few days might be a good time for buying tackle.. With the boat show on quite a few stores are having sales.
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Posted By: Fishybznz
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 1:27pm
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JK - that's a great king on 15kg mate, you'd have had to be pretty happy about that! I love the rod but I don't know that I'd be that confident in it for livebaiting. Hopefully can get a king on it myself to see how it goes ;) ------------- NZFisher: Get your free monthly fishing magazine emailed straight to you. http://www.nzfisher.co.nz |
Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 1:32pm
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Yeah havent used mine for livebaiting, both were caught on skipped piper as are most my kings nowadays ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 1:37pm
says it all mate, dont know why people go for length, said it here many times before for those starting off, watch marlin from the rocks and see the difference between long and short, some times size dont matter and game fishing from the rocks is one of those times.  ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
JK wrote:Posted By: Fishybznz
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 2:02pm
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Yeah BA that's the way of it mate. Shorter grunty rods are good for the angler and not so good for the fish! Long rods are just going to make life difficult on yourself.
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Posted By: pure--lure
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 2:07pm
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Awesome guys thanks heaps for you advice its great so if I go for the TLDs of the rocks am I using braid or nylon? whats best and aslo winding up the drags is that an easy feet or one for the professionals Regards Paul ------------- http://www.facebook.com/groups/hibiscus.coast.fishing/ |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 2:28pm
Its not so much the length,its the action and grunt of the rod.The taller rod has the advantage of keeping the line away from the rocks,especially when in close and creates a steeper line angle on the fish during the fight.I have a composite developments 15-24 kg lbg rod(which is designed for this purpose),i also have 3 rocky 2s which are 10-15 kg. They are both the same length near enough.I have caught sharks on the composite and it was a pleasure,the rocky 2 would need more patience and of course the line would be lighter,so more careful,less power in the blank..The ledge you are fishing,foul ground,deep water could all influence you.At the end of the day.match your tackle to your catch(If you can!).I think the rocky 2 would be good for GTs off the rocks if it had better quality guides.Anyone ever tried the lime tip rocky 2 ?I think the rocky 2 is so good for snapper because they tend to dive for kelp,bottom,really quickly and persist at trying to get there.Thats where having the length helps to lift them up.eg look at geoff thomas on snapper secrets catching that 30 pound snapper with a surfcaster rod and a shimano baitrunner!You take the pressure off big snapper for a moment and they bust you(had it happen).Kingies fight different.More power/stamina.If i am still connected after 5 mins i feel confident! when using the rocky 2 for snapper,you are targeting fish up to 10-15 kg tops which is within the line rating of the rod.when fishing the lbg 15-24 you are targeting fish in the 15-24 kg range = kingfish size and up! |
Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 2:29pm
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use nylon! TLD's have lever drag and are easy to adjust when needed. When winding.. just spread it evenly with your thumb, as line is going in.. you will find that its not that hard once you tried it. Dont forget to get a gimbal belt aswell.
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Posted By: pure--lure
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 2:33pm
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Jk im only going to use it for kingis nothing else
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Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 2:44pm
Length is good when a fish dives under a deep ledge at your feet I remember that happening to someone on the pinnacles when hooked to kingie aye BA 
I like 10ft 2 pieces for snapps too they give distance on casting when needed.
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Posted By: Bricky
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 2:51pm
| I have the baitrunner 6500b and 7ft backbone elite rod. Havn't caught anything big on it yet, and no kings :( but it's taken a hell of a beating over some pretty dodgy landscape and other than some scratches is going strong :) |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 3:04pm
POSITIVE=Like everyone says here.Use nylon and go for a 15-24 kg (7 foot rod approx) .Shimano tld 25 is the go too.Light,reliable and great drag.Just for kings(medium to large). Beauty is=You can use this set up on the boat,live baiting/trolling as well.Very easy to find a suitable rod as above.Line = 15 or 24 kg.plenty of line capacity. NEGATIVE= wouldnt want to try to cast with it Lol ! Rocky 2(8 foot 3)10--15kg and either shimano baitrunner 6500b for spinning reel or an overhead of your choice. POSITIVE=good for snapper and kingis(ive caught a 22.5 kg kingi with this).Ideal for snaps all sizes and small to medium kings. Hard chrome guides better suited to o/head reel and good for casting dead baits like jk mentioned eg piper,pilchards,bonito etc.light weight rod. NEGATIVE= Spinning reels can be used but dont cast as well,due to smaller guides.Especially in the heavier line weights.Still reasonable casting though.Can land bigger kings/rays but more tiring and less control over the fish.The 6500 line capacity is limited in heavier line. I dont go for braid off the rocks personally.Not very abrasion resistant.Fish feel it when straylining i reckon.cheers |
Posted By: pure--lure
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 3:13pm
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Really interesting LBD2 im trying to take this all in so I can make the best informed desicion ------------- http://www.facebook.com/groups/hibiscus.coast.fishing/ |
Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 3:23pm
A mate of mine uses this setup and nailed a good king in his of around 23-25kg. Did it on 15kg too. Not to be discounted!
I too would be one to recommend nylon - abraison resistance is important when fighting kings and in most fights you'd be lucky not to have any reef rubbing. The kings are cunning fighters and will use any reef etc to their advantage.
If after a dedicated kingi setup paul I'd def be looking at the 7ft 24kg rod and overhead type option. As others have said, can also be used for boat fishing etc.
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Posted By: JoshW
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 3:27pm
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Haven't read all this thread but Re: long rods
I use a 8ftr and wouldn't go much shorter although wouldn't go any longer either, my next rod will be 7'6-8ft for sure (have used 6 and 7ft's). In certain circumstances the extra clearance is a a major plus/essential especially on a low flat legde with nasty bommies, the higher line angle keeps your line clear of the obstacle. Out of the boat when we can't lead or drag them into clear ground we stay directly on top of the fish. same principle, reduced line angle gives the fish less abilitly to wrap you round a rock.
will chuck vid up some time of a wee bronzie battle at my local that you just wouldn't of won without the 8ft. runnig 12k of drag for half an hour aswell so it can't be all that hard esp when most king fights aren't even half this time. also 8fter is handy when your in the ruff or off the beach.
but yea, I chose the long rod for versitilaty, short rods all good if you don't fish unfisher friendly spots.
When I get a chance to get away from this bloody computer screen and actually get on the rocks, I'm keen to give the kings a crack on ten. Have been connected to a few now on that line weigth and genarally survive 80-90% of the fight, just last bit is where the probs happen. thinking the oldschool 13ft surfcaster might be the way to go keep that angle up at the end.
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Posted By: Photofisha
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 5:12pm
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I have been looking at a 15-24kg rated rod of late which im rather keen on especially if i match it with a suitable overhead for livebaiting from the rocks,id run it with 15kg.
It seems to have heaps of grunt and stainless steel guides...are these any good? Also its 9ft but a 3 piece glass/carbon composite so easy to carry to those spots which need a bit of legwork but reading alot of these posts i get the feeling now it may be too long for what i have in mind 
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Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 6:52pm
My two cents worth= Seems ok to me.I think it comes down to personal preference.If it has plenty of grunt,that sounds good.Glass is good in that dept too.I think my composite is made of e-glass.A bit heavier but very strong.I would run thick 15kg for the abrasion factor or go 40 pound perhaps. Most dont like stainless steel guides here.Often they are cheap and nasty and not of good enough quality.I have found the ones on my composite are good though.A lot of rod makers seem to put them on their land based rods.At least you can stand on them LOL.They tend to corrode around the bindings,i find.I am lucky i have two of the original "Pink Panthers" by kilwell.They both have Aluminium oxide standard guides.Still going strong. Are you sure the rod can be fished with an overhead?Is it off trade me?I think price would come into it too.Load the rod up and see how it feels! Good luck. |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 6:54pm
Sorry,i know i go on a bit! |
Posted By: Pico
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 7:23pm
Is it one of those Youvella/Omoto rods? I've heard some people say bad things about them... But never had a look at one myself.
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Posted By: Photofisha
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 8:58pm
Yep Omoto  Suddenly not so keen anymore 
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Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 10:18pm
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Yeah mate.....leave it alone!
I am not a fan of 3 peice rods either. In fact, even 2 peice are not really my thing! Prefer 1 peice where possible. ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: CFISH
Date Posted: 13 May 2009 at 10:51pm
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Single piece rod is best length not so important
15kg is fine 24 better if you are in rough location. 10kg works but hard work to stop them on a first run which often is in the first 30 seconds its all over. All good fun however. Prefer a the TLD 50 these days although the 25 and 30 are great reels also |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 14 May 2009 at 1:23am
Good point.Only two peice rod i own is for catching live baits! or soft bait rods. Jk,what about those k-lab ones on trade me.Have you tried the kilwell lime tip rocky 2?Any good Anyone? |
Posted By: Bungel_
Date Posted: 14 May 2009 at 1:51am
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I got one of those 3 piece Youvella rods just for the easy transport factor. I only use it now for casting big shark baits out off the beach. Its generally too long for use off the rocks Livebaiting for kings and is too heavy for snappers or poppers. I dont doubt it would be able to handle things even being 3 pieces, but just isnt my first choice. Much prefer my 8 footer for kings off the rocks, 6 foot is just too short. A mate of mine has a few of the K-labs.. they are broom sticks. Dont bend much past the top 1/4. Could spend your money on much better for a reasonable price. ------------- here fishy, fishy fishy..... |
Posted By: Photofisha
Date Posted: 14 May 2009 at 7:45am
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Thanks for the feedback.
Will look at a 1 piece and want to get something around 8ft. Im not into rods that are broomsticks especially off the rocks id rather have to work harder to bring the fish in than just winch it. |
Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 14 May 2009 at 7:59am
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I havent used either laidbackdood so cant really pass comment. I dont think anyone mentioned using a 6footer george. I dont think it would be too bad though and certainly would prefer to tussle with a big king with a 6ft rod than with say a 10footer if we are talking exremes.
I have a offshore 10-24kg 8ft6 1 peice spin rod that is dam solid. For casting piper etc and poppers at kings. Will be retired once my new kilwell 15-24kg spin blank gets built up so if anyone wants to buy the offshore its available. Probably not really what you are after though Paul. ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: Pico
Date Posted: 14 May 2009 at 3:23pm
Was in at just fishin the other day and they had a 24kg 8 footer I'm pretty sure was custom made by them. Not sure how much it cost... But could be worth a look.
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Posted By: Photofisha
Date Posted: 14 May 2009 at 5:04pm
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Thanks for that Ross23800
Also a question i can get a new Kilwell Rocky-II jellytip 8ft-6" 10-15kg for $175 is this an old model and is that a good price? The second rod i looked at today was a Shimano backbone Elite 8ft 15-24 kg is this a good rod i see it has fuji guides etc were asking $199 for that. Any input appreciated. |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 14 May 2009 at 5:56pm
Yes,that is a very good price for a new rocky 2.I have my used one ,on trade me at present.Cheaper than that with a few scuff marks on it,otherwise its mint.pm me if interested or check on t/me.Its like new.cheers |
Posted By: Doubie
Date Posted: 14 May 2009 at 9:19pm
AD lets also have a nosey at the Boat Show this weekend and see if there are any specials on there 
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Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 14 May 2009 at 9:48pm
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Price is about right there laidbackdood. Sold a rockyII this week to ahab for $120 ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: Doubie
Date Posted: 14 May 2009 at 9:50pm
Ahab you say JK. I have seen the amount of gear that man has, didn't think he needed another rod...
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Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 14 May 2009 at 10:03pm
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lol you seen the amount I have? I couldnt justify keeping it! ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: Doubie
Date Posted: 14 May 2009 at 10:04pm
 not yet JK, but I hope to hook up for a fish with you one day and will pick your brains then on some good gear 
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Posted By: Gooner
Date Posted: 15 May 2009 at 10:41am
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If anyone's thinking about upgrading their gear and needs to offload their existing LBG combo give me a shout....the addictions growing and I think I need to tool up with some heavy duty gear! ------------- Jonny Gooner Ooh ta ooh ta be ooh ta be a Gooner!! |
Posted By: Fishybznz
Date Posted: 15 May 2009 at 12:21pm
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JK - I've been toying with getting a set for throwing poppers/skip baits. What reel you been fishing on yours?
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Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 15 May 2009 at 1:02pm
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Just a crappy old Kilwell baitrunner with upgraded drags in it. Its ok but far from ideal. Has dealt to many a good fish though and is a personal favourite.
At the moment I am trying to work out what reel I will buy to match the new customer landbase skip bait rod I am getting built. Open to ideas! ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 15 May 2009 at 2:14pm
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a shimano thunnus? okuma vs80?
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Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 15 May 2009 at 2:31pm
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I think thunnus are a bit big and chunky. Spheros could be ok though.
Okuma vs80? I have a 55 and while I am impressed with its drag capabilities, some of its other characteristics leave alot to be desired! ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |