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Right, I am aiming to catch a marlin from my Marco 480 next season.

I�ve got so many questions and I guess next season will come around quick. So best I start the planning now.

With my boat I am not going to have any spare space to get all complicated with the set up. Some of my questions are going to seem dumb to the pros and some of it is �what if?�, but I don�t have a clue about this marlin fishing.

So far, I�ve been looking through the 25 pages in �The Work Up� and found lots of helpful info. I�ve got a few gamefishing books at home, but none cover the small boat side.

Here�s a few to start with�

I�m guessing that running two lures will be the go. Firstly, I don�t have the $$$$ to splash out on four fancy rods and reels and as I�ll probably only be able to fish with 2 onboard, the guy having to clear all the gear and drive the boat should there be a hook up, is going to be struggling.

Is it best to run the lines off outriggers or can I get away with flat lining off the back? Is there any advantage of using outriggers if there�s only 2 lures out? Do you want to run the lures in the clear water or the wash?

What line weight should I be gearing up for? 15 or 24kg? I get an inkling that 37kg would be too much. Is that right or wrong?

With fishing 2 up, who does what? The skipper has to clear the gear, drive the boat and if/when you get the fish boatside, do the leadering. If you�re taking the fish, who makes the gaff shot? If you�re fishing to IGFA rules I�m sure the angler can�t put the rod in the rod holder? Right?

Should you use 2 gaffs? Fixed or flying? Is it okay to tie a flying gaff off a cleat, or will this be dangerous? When making a gaff shot should you aim for the head or shoulder? Should you try and kill the fish before you bring it onboard or how do you subdue it and bring it onboard and deal to it without it destroying the boat?

Like I said. Lots of questions� this is only the start

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For your boat running two lures off rod tips at the stern is a good call. With only two you don't need outriggers, so long as you choose lures that will run well in that situation.

Flying gaff definitely. I have one of each and have used the smaller (fixed head) to gaff the tail so the fish is immobilised - but its not critical IMHO.
 
I tie the gaff rope to the railing bar in the corner of the boat. I can't see it being dangerous - I assume you mean if the marlin takes off and what happens to your boat when the rope runs out. I don't see it being a big problem.
 
Fishing with two, we've found the technique is to have the driver head to the fish when it's boatside and grab the bill. It ain't going nowhere then, so long as you've played it out and its not a green 500kg blue.
 
Then the angler does the gaff shot. At that point I put the rod in the rod holder (backing off the drag a touch - a lesson I learned up north one time )
 
There is certainly a danger in having a fish go ape**** in a small boat. That's why you have a kilwell donger to "subdue" the fish saspo. You might be able to do that boatside, but it would be very awkward. With my absolutely vast experience of three fish, I have found that they are pretty knackered by the time you get them to the boat. The only one that came in too fast we let run again to quiet him down.
 
Mainly because that Ohsif wouldn't grab his bill or sink the gaff while it was still green.
 
Line weight - I'd go 24, that will enable you to put enough pressure on a stripie to subdue it, but the gear is not too heavy. Worth considering fishing with a graphite reel (TLD 50) because they are so much easier to handle than a goldie. I have two graphite Penn Formula 24s and have landed one fish on one of them (Kezz landed his fish on Lethals boat on a Formula 24 a few years back, so reels of that size can handle it). Line length is not the issue because you can get after the fish and chase it down in a small boat.
 
That may be different if you hook a blue .... but you'd just have to deal with it at the time. To gear up with 37kg and 80 wides would be overkill most of the time and you want to have some sport!
 
I would also use wind-on leaders (and I do) because they give you more control over the fish when its boatside. You want to minimise that part because having two people hanging over the side dealing with a big fish can cause the obvious problems.
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well, here we go,
 
 you should troll 2 lures on flat line roller trollers would be best for you, out riggers wont be needed. if you want a bit of height use a #32 rubber band and run it off the rod,
 
a good harness is essential, black magic do a good one,
 
pair of cotton glove to get hold of the bill cotton sticks to the bill well and you can get a good grip.
 
gaff flying gaff tyed off on to a cleat is sweet, get the fish next to the boat but keep it in gear going forward as you drive along side of the fish, and pu the gaff in his shoulder, once you do that they settle down pretty quick,
 
windon leaders would be a must for you with short lure leaders so you can get the fish up close to the boat, making it safe by not having line all throgh the boat,
 
have a knife near by, or a leader tool bonze does $40.00 called jack the ripper, that would be safe as the blade is covered, but if you get in the sh*t you can cut it off.  
if you get a green fish well, i dont think you will early on he will drag ya round a bit prob and you will make him knakered,
 
always tag the fish first so if you pull the hooks while getting the gaff, its a legal caught fish
 
when the fish strikes keep going forward in the same direction that fish will be couple hundred meters out in a few secs get the other rod in keep going forward until harness on and ready for battle then the captain and angler communicate together, you dont want any slack line so dont drive up on it to early. the worst thing is slack line.
 
good luck feel free to ask questions
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Cheers Bender Espresso was saying the same thing to me re the fish being buggered by the time it's at the boat. There's no way any marlin is going to have any respect for a 16ft tinny. I was thinking along the lines of TLD50 as well, so I can also use it for other purposes.

Thanks Espresso, fired one back at ya.

The info I have from you guys so far is along the same lines.
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I do alot of fishing from a 6m AMF with two people on board (as well as alot with only two people on launches), we use outriggers as we normally run 4 lures if in shallower and do not expect a blue (two off riggers, one shotgun with a boone bird in front and a lure pegged down at back of boat. If there are blues about we troll 3 lures (Waihau Bay), two off riggers and one shotgun.  We have not actually had a shot from a marlin on the short lure yet from the AMF.  When we hookup, if heading downhill we both clear the gear (boat runs along happily by itself) if going uphill or across the sea the angler clears the other rods and once all the gear is cleared then he grabs the rod with the fish on.  Not much an angler can do while the fish is running so he might as well clear the gear unless there is a reason to grab the rod i.e. lines tangled etc.  We have had no problems with this system and have caught alot of marlin this way over the years both from small boats and launches.
 
We also run wind-on leaders and the angler does the "tracing" through the rod and the guy on the wheel does the gaffing or tagging, this way it is only at the last moment that the wheel is unattended, less risk of the fish going under the boat or too far ahead of the boat.  If possible we always try to take the fish on the starboard side (helm side) that way the guy on the wheel sees what the fish is doing better when being traced. 
 
The other thing we do is make sure the fish is reasonably well played out before getting it boatside when there is only two of us onboard.
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you dont need fancy reels to catch marlin, i got 1 on a diawa sealine tourdament 50
 
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Cheers Saltiga

I get you re the rubber bands. I'll get one of those cutters from Bonze (Hopefully it won't be used because we freak out on hook up)

Definitely sounds easier using a windon than having a swivel getting in the way.
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you still have a swivel other wise your line will twist by having wind-ons you can run a short lure leader if wanted so you cn wind the swivel to th erod tip and then be 2-3m away from the fish
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Ahaa, I get it now Saltiga

Cheers Marligator Good point re the starboard side.
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one point on marligator re starboard side, just make sure your down wind of the fish so you dont drift of it and it goes under the boat Thumbs%20Up
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Si - I was told that the best terminal set up is to have the lure leader just long enough so the lure sits on the water surface when the leader swivel is at the rod tip.
 
That way you can wind it up and leave it there, knowing that the lure is not down in the water, nor is it too short so the hook swingining around from the rod tip waiting to nail someone.
 
I wouldn't trust cotton gloves - I'd get either purpose made ones or leather.
 
BTW - we found a pair of scissors was a most handy thing to have lying around. Don't use knives as an emergency tool or ion the small bnoat you're likely to stick yourself or someone else. They just move so much all the time.
 
Those proper cutting tools (I assume that's what the Bonze one is) are also a good call. Did you know you can also use them to cut down prisoners who are attempting to commit sideways? I have it on good authority that you can.
 
 
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why wouldnt yo trust cotton gloves bender? they stick like glue to a beaky?
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Simon, having spent most of my life up until the last 7 yrs fishing from a tailer boat one thing that sticks out is safety gear, get that sorted first up.
 
the best investment is an inflatable life jacket....
 
2nd good on you for doing this and if you need some gear, rods, reels, lures etc let me know, I have some you can use.
 
i see the talk on windons, yes mate very good idea specially from a small boat, if you want i will make you some, the ones i use work well, infact
15-0 this season and no breaks, fingers crossed.
 
i will tell you what you need to buy, infact $50 will get you around 10 of them.
 
2 rods, yip i ran 2 while out by myself this year and got two bloody doubles so yeah 2 was heaps
 
out riggers are not need as your not towing alot of lines/lures.
 
I have a witch doctor in fact 2 of them if you want to use one but i also have a far better idea and hell it works heaps better.
 
let us know am very happy to help you out, but what i would do is spend a wee bit of time out on the water on a succesfull boat and see what they do, rigs set ups etc, you have been on mine and seen my set up but that is just one of thousands and although we are all similar some are better than others, like i said if you ant a hand let me know and i have heaps of dvd's for you to ponder over as well.
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oh yeah did i say marlin fishing is where its at cause once you get the bug god help your bank account, am i wrong fellas????????
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No, you know that snapper fishing is where it's at.
 
 
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Don't know what you mean BA..
 
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whens the debrief big boy, i went snapper fishin yesterday, i am off to the councilor today, i am ok honest......
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Originally posted by Saltiga Saltiga wrote:

why wouldnt yo trust cotton gloves bender? they stick like glue to a beaky?
 
I've seen what a lively one has done to my leather gloves. I don't think cotton would offer a lot of protection.
 
Hell, we got one around the back of the outboard and the bill took the paint off down to the metal! I'll stick with leather.
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Yep BA, safety will be the top priority. Have an inflatable lifejacket, handheld vhf (will probably install a fixed vhf in near future), flares, first aid kit (It's got enough gear to perform surgery), v sheet, will be getting an EPIRB. Also intend to get my Boat masters.

Cheers for the offer. I'll probably buy a couple of rods and reels. Hell knows what yet, but for my other fishing I am a fan of Shimano and Daiwa stuff. I think I'll definitely need to see you about doing these windons
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