Small boat marlin fishing?
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Topic: Small boat marlin fishing?
Posted By: Finatic
Subject: Small boat marlin fishing?
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 12:30pm
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Right, I am aiming to catch a marlin from my Marco 480 next season.
I�ve got so many questions and I guess next season will come around quick. So best I start the planning now. With my boat I am not going to have any spare space to get all complicated with the set up. Some of my questions are going to seem dumb to the pros and some of it is �what if?�, but I don�t have a clue about this marlin fishing. So far, I�ve been looking through the 25 pages in �The Work Up� and found lots of helpful info. I�ve got a few gamefishing books at home, but none cover the small boat side. Here�s a few to start with� I�m guessing that running two lures will be the go. Firstly, I don�t have the $$$$ to splash out on four fancy rods and reels and as I�ll probably only be able to fish with 2 onboard, the guy having to clear all the gear and drive the boat should there be a hook up, is going to be struggling. Is it best to run the lines off outriggers or can I get away with flat lining off the back? Is there any advantage of using outriggers if there�s only 2 lures out? Do you want to run the lures in the clear water or the wash? What line weight should I be gearing up for? 15 or 24kg? I get an inkling that 37kg would be too much. Is that right or wrong? With fishing 2 up, who does what? The skipper has to clear the gear, drive the boat and if/when you get the fish boatside, do the leadering. If you�re taking the fish, who makes the gaff shot?  If you�re fishing to IGFA rules I�m sure the angler can�t put the rod in the rod holder? Right?
Should you use 2 gaffs? Fixed or flying? Is it okay to tie a flying gaff off a cleat, or will this be dangerous? When making a gaff shot should you aim for the head or shoulder? Should you try and kill the fish before you bring it onboard or how do you subdue it and bring it onboard and deal to it without it destroying the boat? Like I said. Lots of questions� this is only the start 
Thanks in advance. ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
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Posted By: Bender
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 12:54pm
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For your boat running two lures off rod tips at the stern is a good call. With only two you don't need outriggers, so long as you choose lures that will run well in that situation. Flying gaff definitely. I have one of each and have used the smaller (fixed head) to gaff the tail so the fish is immobilised - but its not critical IMHO.
I tie the gaff rope to the railing bar in the corner of the boat. I can't see it being dangerous - I assume you mean if the marlin takes off and what happens to your boat when the rope runs out. I don't see it being a big problem.
Fishing with two, we've found the technique is to have the driver head to the fish when it's boatside and grab the bill. It ain't going nowhere then, so long as you've played it out and its not a green 500kg blue.
Then the angler does the gaff shot. At that point I put the rod in the rod holder (backing off the drag a touch - a lesson I learned up north one time )
There is certainly a danger in having a fish go ape**** in a small boat. That's why you have a kilwell donger to "subdue" the fish saspo. You might be able to do that boatside, but it would be very awkward. With my absolutely vast experience of three fish, I have found that they are pretty knackered by the time you get them to the boat. The only one that came in too fast we let run again to quiet him down.
Mainly because that Ohsif wouldn't grab his bill or sink the gaff while it was still green.
Line weight - I'd go 24, that will enable you to put enough pressure on a stripie to subdue it, but the gear is not too heavy. Worth considering fishing with a graphite reel (TLD 50) because they are so much easier to handle than a goldie. I have two graphite Penn Formula 24s and have landed one fish on one of them (Kezz landed his fish on Lethals boat on a Formula 24 a few years back, so reels of that size can handle it). Line length is not the issue because you can get after the fish and chase it down in a small boat.
That may be different if you hook a blue .... but you'd just have to deal with it at the time. To gear up with 37kg and 80 wides would be overkill most of the time and you want to have some sport!
I would also use wind-on leaders (and I do) because they give you more control over the fish when its boatside. You want to minimise that part because having two people hanging over the side dealing with a big fish can cause the obvious problems. ------------- Nobody has ever come up with a great idea after a second bottle of water. |
Posted By: Espresso
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 12:58pm
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Sent a PM.
Good on ya!!!
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Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 1:10pm
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well, here we go,
you should troll 2 lures on flat line roller trollers would be best for you, out riggers wont be needed. if you want a bit of height use a #32 rubber band and run it off the rod,
a good harness is essential, black magic do a good one,
pair of cotton glove to get hold of the bill cotton sticks to the bill well and you can get a good grip.
gaff flying gaff tyed off on to a cleat is sweet, get the fish next to the boat but keep it in gear going forward as you drive along side of the fish, and pu the gaff in his shoulder, once you do that they settle down pretty quick,
windon leaders would be a must for you with short lure leaders so you can get the fish up close to the boat, making it safe by not having line all throgh the boat,
have a knife near by, or a leader tool bonze does $40.00 called jack the ripper, that would be safe as the blade is covered, but if you get in the sh*t you can cut it off.
if you get a green fish well, i dont think you will early on he will drag ya round a bit prob and you will make him knakered,
always tag the fish first so if you pull the hooks while getting the gaff, its a legal caught fish
when the fish strikes keep going forward in the same direction that fish will be couple hundred meters out in a few secs get the other rod in keep going forward until harness on and ready for battle then the captain and angler communicate together, you dont want any slack line so dont drive up on it to early. the worst thing is slack line.
good luck feel free to ask questions
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Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 1:14pm
Cheers Bender Espresso was saying the same thing to me re the fish being buggered by the time it's at the boat. There's no way any marlin is going to have any respect for a 16ft tinny. I was thinking along the lines of TLD50 as well, so I can also use it for other purposes.
Thanks Espresso, fired one back at ya.
The info I have from you guys so far is along the same lines.  ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: Marligator
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 1:22pm
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I do alot of fishing from a 6m AMF with two people on board (as well as alot with only two people on launches), we use outriggers as we normally run 4 lures if in shallower and do not expect a blue (two off riggers, one shotgun with a boone bird in front and a lure pegged down at back of boat. If there are blues about we troll 3 lures (Waihau Bay), two off riggers and one shotgun. We have not actually had a shot from a marlin on the short lure yet from the AMF. When we hookup, if heading downhill we both clear the gear (boat runs along happily by itself) if going uphill or across the sea the angler clears the other rods and once all the gear is cleared then he grabs the rod with the fish on. Not much an angler can do while the fish is running so he might as well clear the gear unless there is a reason to grab the rod i.e. lines tangled etc. We have had no problems with this system and have caught alot of marlin this way over the years both from small boats and launches.
We also run wind-on leaders and the angler does the "tracing" through the rod and the guy on the wheel does the gaffing or tagging, this way it is only at the last moment that the wheel is unattended, less risk of the fish going under the boat or too far ahead of the boat. If possible we always try to take the fish on the starboard side (helm side) that way the guy on the wheel sees what the fish is doing better when being traced.
The other thing we do is make sure the fish is reasonably well played out before getting it boatside when there is only two of us onboard.
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Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 1:24pm
you dont need fancy reels to catch marlin, i got 1 on a diawa sealine tourdament 50
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Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 1:27pm
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Cheers Saltiga
I get you re the rubber bands. I'll get one of those cutters from Bonze (Hopefully it won't be used because we freak out on hook up  )
Definitely sounds easier using a windon than having a swivel getting in the way. ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 1:31pm
| you still have a swivel other wise your line will twist by having wind-ons you can run a short lure leader if wanted so you cn wind the swivel to th erod tip and then be 2-3m away from the fish |
Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 1:43pm
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Ahaa, I get it now Saltiga
Cheers Marligator Good point re the starboard side.------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 1:48pm
one point on marligator re starboard side, just make sure your down wind of the fish so you dont drift of it and it goes under the boat 
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Posted By: Bender
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 1:52pm
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Si - I was told that the best terminal set up is to have the lure leader just long enough so the lure sits on the water surface when the leader swivel is at the rod tip.
That way you can wind it up and leave it there, knowing that the lure is not down in the water, nor is it too short so the hook swingining around from the rod tip waiting to nail someone.
I wouldn't trust cotton gloves - I'd get either purpose made ones or leather.
BTW - we found a pair of scissors was a most handy thing to have lying around. Don't use knives as an emergency tool or ion the small bnoat you're likely to stick yourself or someone else. They just move so much all the time.
Those proper cutting tools (I assume that's what the Bonze one is) are also a good call. Did you know you can also use them to cut down prisoners who are attempting to commit sideways? I have it on good authority that you can.
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Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 1:56pm
| why wouldnt yo trust cotton gloves bender? they stick like glue to a beaky? |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 1:58pm
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Simon, having spent most of my life up until the last 7 yrs fishing from a tailer boat one thing that sticks out is safety gear, get that sorted first up.
the best investment is an inflatable life jacket....
2nd good on you for doing this and if you need some gear, rods, reels, lures etc let me know, I have some you can use.
i see the talk on windons, yes mate very good idea specially from a small boat, if you want i will make you some, the ones i use work well, infact
15-0 this season and no breaks, fingers crossed.
i will tell you what you need to buy, infact $50 will get you around 10 of them.
2 rods, yip i ran 2 while out by myself this year and got two bloody doubles so yeah 2 was heaps
out riggers are not need as your not towing alot of lines/lures.
I have a witch doctor in fact 2 of them if you want to use one but i also have a far better idea and hell it works heaps better.
let us know am very happy to help you out, but what i would do is spend a wee bit of time out on the water on a succesfull boat and see what they do, rigs set ups etc, you have been on mine and seen my set up but that is just one of thousands and although we are all similar some are better than others, like i said if you ant a hand let me know and i have heaps of dvd's for you to ponder over as well. ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 2:01pm
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oh yeah did i say marlin fishing is where its at cause once you get the bug god help your bank account, am i wrong fellas???????? ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: Bender
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 2:05pm
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No, you know that snapper fishing is where it's at.
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Posted By: Espresso
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 2:06pm
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Don't know what you mean BA..
(off to pick up the addtional 80w
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 2:08pm
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whens the debrief big boy, i went snapper fishin yesterday, i am off to the councilor today, i am ok honest...... ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: Bender
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 2:08pm
I've seen what a lively one has done to my leather gloves. I don't think cotton would offer a lot of protection.
Hell, we got one around the back of the outboard and the bill took the paint off down to the metal! I'll stick with leather. ------------- Nobody has ever come up with a great idea after a second bottle of water. |
Saltiga wrote:Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 2:08pm
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Yep BA, safety will be the top priority. Have an inflatable lifejacket, handheld vhf (will probably install a fixed vhf in near future), flares, first aid kit (It's got enough gear to perform surgery), v sheet, will be getting an EPIRB. Also intend to get my Boat masters.
Cheers for the offer. I'll probably buy a couple of rods and reels. Hell knows what yet, but for my other fishing I am a fan of Shimano and Daiwa stuff. I think I'll definitely need to see you about doing these windons ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 2:30pm
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have 2 x shimano 24's as well as 2 x tiagra 80s both standup rods i wont be using them again, if you want them you may have alooksee before they go on trade me. ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 2:47pm
Yup its pretty damn good I have to agree now that the swelling from having my Marlin cherry popped has gradually subsided
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Posted By: Adam Scott
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 2:55pm
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If Si wasnt confused before Im sure his total stuffed now
Si, tracing 400lb trace thru the rod rated at 24kg is in reality doing what you could do with the straight 24kg line to start with. Then if you just have a double, 48kgs thru a rod rated at 24kg would break it let along 400lb. So if you arent going to use a wireman, flag the windon and use a max length double, you will never break it thru the rod, plus it goes thru the guides easily. KISS(no Im not hitting on you)
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Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 3:16pm
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I see what you mean Adam.
BA, I'd better have a look at that gear! ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 3:55pm
never seen it happen at all Adam i guess thats why we say back the drag off, but as always in the heat of the moment things turn to poo.
 single handed Simon a windon is awesome, remember there are a number of us on this site that fish single handed, what Adam is saying is very true so i am not saying he is wrong, with the KISS thing he is right on the money,
so you need to figure it out for yourself....for me a windon works and for others i know and have helped out it certainly works for them as well for us, our KISS.
 each to there own, for you it will be trial and error until you have it sussed.
 anyway you will hear all sorts of wierd and wonderfull ideas and alot of contradiction in terms but they all work like i said trial and error.
confused as Adam says yip you will be but its not over, its just begun, lots of ideas lots of opinions but best of all most are from guys who get out there and do it.
also have 2 x 24-37 composite Granduers.
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Posted By: Game fish
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 6:19pm
| Its not that hard for a marlin to take the paint of down to the metal there bender its pretty easy for that to happen. Even when they are next to the boat they can do that by just rubbing up against the hull. |
Posted By: Ski
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 9:44pm
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i use an old pair of snuggly fitted leather dive gloves for billing sweet as
windons arent a necessettyand you need bigfoot guides to use em correctly,when the swivel hits the surface the wireman ie the driver if 2 up should be ready to grab the leader and bring it in(hopefully the fish is swimming alongside the boat,idling forward)soon as hes got the bill angler puts rod in holder ,picks up flying gaff and sinks it ,unless tagging
as for 2 lures dont be tight go for 4 aND the outriggershelp get your lures out of the whitewater and more visble worth the $300 if your serious about this hole thing.as mentioned earlier,when ya hookup ,keep the boat in gear while ya clear the other rods,then settle the angler into a rythym,we find it easiest to play the fish on the starboard side so the driver can see the line best and the angler can rest his legs when needed on the other side of the boatbut change to port when the fish is due to be boated as the starboard side has the steering and remotes. biggest thing is communication between angler and driver .if the fish comes at ya tell the driver ,always keep the rod bent if it starts to straighten angler must wind like f...k and driver must aknowledge this and acelerat awy till the rod bends and even line starts coming off.then its back up to the angler.also good to have a saftey line attached to the gimbal/harness so angler doesnt get pulled in,
24kg will suit yas best for standup ,go get em si! ------------- yamaha reliability senator stability shimano superiority the rest is up to the fish! |
Posted By: mangre
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2007 at 10:11pm
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sounds about right to me ski, actually its copybook. ------------- "But why is the rum gone?!"- Captain(!)Jack Sparrow. |
Posted By: Marligator
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 7:14am
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Saltiga, I forgot to mention in my post if we can we always work the fish around so that they are swimming down hill and just ease the boat into the fish. Nine times oput of ten if they are not foul hooked or wrapped in the trace they will happily swim downhill, but you are dead right about not getting upwind of the fish with two people on board when it is close to the boat.
Adam I agree a windon is not required, just a maximum length double if all we were ever going to catch were stripeys, but the main reason I use a 440lb (22ft all dacron plus 6 ft mono trace) windon is because when that big blue or black comes along and finally decides to stick (dropped two in last two years) I have got that 28ft trace so i can get at the *******.
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Posted By: DeLBoY
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 7:34am
| all good points here trial and error is all part of the fun of marlin fishing i think. my 2 cents worth, get a fixed vhf before a hand held, get some good leather gloves and a good harness set up like black magic is a must and always set up for the biggest possiable fish(when the big girl jumps on ya ready for it) maybe go to your local fishing club and pick some brains over a beer and go to some fishing seminars like the ones bonze was doing. good luck |
Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 8:52am
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Cheers for all this guys
I can see there's definitely going to be ALOT of trial and error. Got another batch of questions lined up. Just gotta take care of something I'm not too familiar with first. I think it's called 'work' ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: Adam Scott
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 8:59am
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I dont think my point came across right. If you already have windons then Im not saying rip them off if you fish solo, and you most certainly need a full length of trace if a monster hops on. But if fishing a 50 narrow reel with windon, I think you will be stuffed anyway if that monster hops on. In Sis case he was talking 50Tlds not 80Ws, so a 50 will only hold 600m max of 24 to start with, if a windon is used then there will need to be about .7cm clearange around the line so lets take that into acount. Spool diam=about 8cm
Spool shaft diam = 3cm
Reduction for windon = 1.4cm
3.14 x 4squr = 50.24
3.14 x 1.5squr = 7.06 so a full spool is 50.24 - 7.06 =43.18
windon
3.14 x 3.3squr = 34.19
3.14 x 1.5squr = 7.06 so a windon spool is 34.19 - 7.06 = 27.13
27.13/43.18 x 100 = 62.83%
62.83% of 600m = 377m of line!!
Big line reduction just to allow for a windon, infact it would be sightly higher reduction as the spool isnt H shaped, it tapers up.
So by reducing the line capacity to allow for a windon on a narrow spool 50, you are effectively fishing with only 377m of line. This is normally enough but for first timers nothing causes panic like line disappearing at great rate and not having enough let alone the fast reducing line diameter which will cause drag increases just to add to the panic(remember when line has decreased to half the diameter of the spool, the increase in the drag is 50%, at near empty the drag has increased by 300%, plus line drag on top of that). Windons are great for big reels, and great for boats who normally have crews, but the concept of tracing thru the rod lacks logic. I mean what do we really think is being achieved.
How much weight do you think you are applying to the fish when you take a wrap with your hand on the trace thru the rod as you wind the line on your reel? Put some scales on the swivel and see, I guarantee you wont even be applying half the weight of the line, let alone half the weight of doubled line(the rod simply isnt designed to handle that weight), let alone the full 400lb of the windon. So unless you have a wireman to swing on the leader, the only purpose a windon is going to give you is less line on the reel, fine on an 80W, but maybe not on a 50narrow.
Just a few things to consider that often get over looked
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Posted By: Bender
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 9:14am
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My Formula 24s have 500m mono with 300m of braid at the bottom as "emergency backup." And windons. Plenty for a stripie (proven). The windons are as much about extra safety margin when you get the fish near the boat's sharp bits. With a small boat you're bringing it alongside, not to the stern. Bringing the fish to the stern means it is easy to move the boat forward if the fish looks like going beneath the hull.
Case in point: The fish Ohsif and I caught off Tutes last season ended up around the back of the boat. The windon got caught in a small notch in the outboard's sacrificial anode. We couldn't get it out and we couldn't move the fish until we could clear the mono from the anode.
In the end we had to gaff the fish, cut the hook off, then use the second gaff into the tail and drag the fish around to the side.
A doubled leader would have pinged instantly.
I agree with Adam that using windons does cut down the mono you have available you slot some braid beneath it.
BTW - don't think the braid backing would be "legal" IGFA but that doesn't bother me. I don't do comps nor stunt fishing for records. I just enjoy getting out and fishing when the weather is good.
This is one of the big debates and in the end you make a personal choice based on the scenario you dream about between now and February. Everyone does things differently.
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Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 9:25am
| our daiwa SLT 50s, hold about 900m of 24kg mono then doulble and wind-on, you dont need to use braid backing, |
Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 9:30am
| i no where your coming from bender as to bringing the fish to the side and they can go anywhere hardr in a small boat to a big one, but keeping your boat going forward which i asum you do, as everyone should, you should have the leader and be bloody brutel on it to get that tag shot, no fu*ken round on our boat, but if the fish does turn and go a funny direction we just drive off fast. |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 9:45am
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arrr i see what your on about Adam, yip agree with what your saying, this is why we went to the dacron windons, line loss is absolutley minimal as it is no where near the bulk of 400lb mono, as has been said prior you need big foot rollers, bollocks you do and unless you use dacron windons you will never know, the ones we make are 220lb with a 400lb insert, and yip they are on my TLD 50 and the 80's
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 I used standard mono 400lb leaders for years and they have there place for sure, we got rid of them when we had the trailer boats as it was alot of line to have on the floor or get tangled around the outboard or stern leg, but now i have tried windons and especially these ones i wont go back, they take up little room are very strong, have not busted one yet but no doubt it will come and had one tail rapt and it did its job well. different courses etc. ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 10:00am
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anyways we can debate this for weeks and not all will agree, I use em because it is what works for me, have got a number of fish on them now to know they work, those who knock them and have never tried them maybe should, they maybe suprised, for me it was an easy choice,
trouble with our sport alot of it is tunnel vision, we read stuff in articles etc and because the top guns use a certain thng then we all have to as well, its nice to try different things and its sure nice when you do and it works.
one other thing with the ones i made, they are so dam easy/nice to trace with any gloves.
but then who am i to say what works for me will work for Simon, he will need to try it all out. ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: Adam Scott
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 10:40am
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Those windons are great, many advantages I recon. But that does look suspiciously like 80W not a 50tld |
Posted By: Boulder
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 11:10am
Adan I can confirm that BA uses these wind ons on his tld 50 as well as the rest of his reels. Do they work ?? They seem to but his boat is a real bi and wont put out for me while giving it up for all and sundry so I cant say for sure from personal experience. I have been the driver on several occaisions when they have worked and if I ever decide to go that way I will probably use that type of wind on as opposed to the full nylon ones. At this stage I am still happy with a double and 6m trace.------------- http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz">  http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz">www.boulderguiding.co.nz |
Posted By: KeenAs
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 11:37am
and you call me a Le'Mon Koro. . .. . ..
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Posted By: Boulder
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 12:07pm
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Back in your box budgie or I will send in the cats ------------- http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz"> http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz">www.boulderguiding.co.nz |
Posted By: mangre
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 12:11pm
keen as, stop mumbling ------------- "But why is the rum gone?!"- Captain(!)Jack Sparrow. |
Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 12:26pm
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The reel choosing side of this is going to be a biggie and at this stage 'A' 'WA' 'VSX' 'VSW' 'TW' are all a mystery to me. I know that 'W' means wide spool and that is all.
I was looking at a few reels and their capacities� Shimano TI50A = 600yds/50lb, TI50WA = 850yds/50lb & TLD50II = 700yds/50lb Daiwa SLT50-2SPD = 620yds/50lb and SLT50W-2SPD = 865yds/50lb Penn 50VSX = 550yds/50lb, 50VSW = 850yds/50lb How on earth do you decide which is the one to go for? Even by physically looking at all of them? When you do buy the reels, can you just spool them up, set the drags and then use them, or do you need to have them opened up and have the drag washers tweaked? Where�s it best to run a teaser like a Boone Bird or witchdoctor? Would you run one or two? And do you run a teaser lure off them? If running two different size lures, does it matter which one is run closer to the boat? How do you choose the right size hook? Is it best to use stainless or galvanised? Are there any hooks that come sharp enough straight out of the pack or will they all need filing? (I�ve been looking through all the threads on filing, so the profile side of it is something that�s going to be another biggie). Is it best to run one hook or two? If one, should you use a larger size? I guess my questions are all over the place, but just asking what comes to mind . ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 12:31pm
| run your biggest lure in close as when a marlin come in on your smaller lure you dont want it to be distracted by the bigger one at the back , which sometimes mean the marlin buggers off, hook size usually goes on the theorie if it fits over the lure head its the right size so ta speck, i use stainless, diamound stone file is a goodie sharpens them up well, we run singles people will say double some lures are designed for double hooks to make them run best, |
Posted By: Bender
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 1:04pm
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Si - this is something I put on a similar thread from Wetdream a week or so back. It's salient, methinks:
You will get loads of contradictory advice. You have to listen and then sort out what is going to work for you or just simply make the decision "this is the way I will do it." There are many different ways and technniques to catch fish.
How on earth do you decide which is the one to go for? Even by physically looking at all of them?
A: Whichever one you get for the right price or bars you up when you look at it. They'll all do the job. The big goldies will be heavier, the graphites have less line capacity. (Let's face it, Shimano has been good to you, why change. I personally like Penn because I know the guys there, loyalty from the Furuno days, and they have worked just fine for me)
When you do buy the reels, can you just spool them up, set the drags and then use them, or do you need to have them opened up and have the drag washers tweaked? A: You can just use them. You can have them tweaked (if you want), but they seem fine out of the box.
Where�s it best to run a teaser like a Boone Bird or witchdoctor? Would you run one or two? And do you run a teaser lure off them? A: Added complexity on a small boat. Its going to be at and around your feet as you fight the fish. I've never run one.
If running two different size lures, does it matter which one is run closer to the boat? A: Generally the theory is you run the bigger lures close to the boat. That wasy the fish comes past the smaller lures to them you get twice the chance. Personally, not sure about that - first one I got came to the (small) enki about 10ft behind the boat and nailed it.
How do you choose the right size hook?
A: Lure head fits snugly inside the hook - at least that's what I was told.
Is it best to use stainless or galvanised?
A: Galvanised hooks will rot away if the line breaks and they get left in the fish. They also go rusty after sharpening and use. It's not really a biggie.
Are there any hooks that come sharp enough straight out of the pack or will they all need filing?
A: No. You need to sharpen them. My test of sharpness is when I can't touch the point on the ball of my thumb at all without *****ing the skin. The last time I tried the "nail test" on my enki hook it went straight through my nail into the quick.
Is it best to run one hook or two?
A: Oh no, that's a can of worms. Can I recommend one? It's a much safer set up than having another hook swinging around somewhere ready to embed itself in the back of your calf muscle. Specially on a small boat.
If one, should you use a larger size?
A: No, use the one that fits the lure.
Finally, can I recommend you hit Kerren up to see if he has a copy of Matt's first video, how to set up gear. It really is invaluable and you get the benefit of the experience of one of our top gamefishos. I follow the content of that video 100% (with the exception of using 100% mono, not dacron and topshots). No reason for that other than I had the mono and didn't want to buy new dacron - and doing the topshots was a complication I couldn't be bothered with in early days.
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Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 1:10pm
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Cheers Bender
Thanks for the offer re the vid... Is that the Blue Water one?, If so I've got it at home on the bedside table ... I've just gotta dig out the VCR player.------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: Bender
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 1:11pm
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Yep, that's it.
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Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 1:13pm
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Top stuff! ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: Espresso
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 1:28pm
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Rule No. 1 "Whichever one....bars you up when you look at it." Bender Now that piece of advice has to be the most honest and accurate for just about everything! Buy that man a beer Run two lures, straight off the rod tips, back about that far with wind on leaders. Try a 5.5 Black/Purple Zucker around 7 kts +/- ...anything else, see rule No.1. All the rest keeps us amused when not fishing - home to my new shiny tonight
 Why did I get another Shimano 80w? See rule No. 1(Yeah hard case about where to run big lures - I hadn't been told the theory of running them close so had the big Andromeda waaay out back - hooked two in two trys, landed one, yay! Guess the fish hadn't read the rule book, stupid fish
 ) Less is more for sure.
All good and exciting eh Finatic.
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Posted By: Bender
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 1:30pm
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Espresso, when the little enki caught the first fish a certain well known lure salesperson asked me "short corner, what was the enki doing on short corner?"
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Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 1:33pm
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Yep Espresso, this is the most exciting project I have undertaken for sure... Well, started to undertake. I haven't even scratched the surface.
Trust me � if this plan all comes together and we get a beaky, I will be buying every man a beer! ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: Rotowarriors
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 1:38pm
Thas some good info Bender, Bluewater watching a definite
I would also recomend partaking in one of Bonze's seminars too, he gives a great korero and heaps of ideas, plus you can extract even more info from him after the seminar in a more 1 on1 scenario.
I could tell you what I have been doing the last couple of years(since I was in the same boat as you fin) but am still stuck on a duck egg
 , but each year we get a bit closer to catching one, so perhaps next season is it . see ya on the wai |
Posted By: Espresso
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 1:41pm
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Yeah a bit hard to refute that.
I was told that my chances of catching a Marlin, with a 2 stroke on a tinny were possible, but slim - landing one might take several attempts and be prepared to spend up to several years chasing without a hookup.
Those little Enkis - see Rule No. 1, yep I've got one!
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Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 1:44pm
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sweet il have a red cheers ha, then you get to start playin with patterns  this a standard set up, me and my dad left handed we do it back to front works exactly the same
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Posted By: Dead Ant
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 1:50pm
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I can vouch for the video too. As a total novice I went to Matt's seminar, watched the DVD then caught a marlin from a trailer boat with just 2 on board, both virgins. The great thing about game fishing is you have 6 months to get prepared. The bad things is there's 6 months to wait for the fish so everyone goes waaaaay to hard at the start of the season and are done by April.(except Adam who has shown me the light!). With a small boat weather will be critical. Put every weekend from Anniversary through till End of April aside and cancel all bookings. At the very least, state that you are now totally unreliable and might not turn up to any event at the drop of a hat. Tell your boss that you want at least 10 days off fishing but won't know which ones until the day before. Then ask for a pay rise to fund all your new gear. When your shiner is mended repeat the same to your girlfriend. Area's are hot or not and spending time in 'not' will drive you mental. I spent way to much time polluting the West Coast this year and have done the same around the Aldermans in other years. In my limited experience, the one thing I have learned is to fish where the fish are! This means waiting for a hot bite and travelling there. West Coast from Manukau to Hokianga, Tutakaka, Whakatane (if the Tuna turn up), BoI and Mercury are all within an easy tow of Auckland. If the Naki goes off the fish are very close in. Wait for the reports and run out the door. I've spent some time over the past two seasons looking for early fish but a large amount of luck if needed. Better to wait till you know where they are before getting despondent about missing fish that aren't even there! I'd also run a skippy/albie lure to get some practice in mucking around with game fish. They're fun to catch and can break up the boredom for newbies. Fresh albacore sushimi is also pretty good! Treat them like a marlin and gear up before the real event happens. It may seem like a waste of time but practice is always good! You won't believe how much line will disappear before you have your harness on and are ready to go.Keep the questions coming as there are some very knowledgeable people on here. CHeers DA |
Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 1:52pm
| having a big lure waaay out the back as you say is sweet, its a different story when trolling a tigher pattern espresso, but we have had marlin swim right through the pattern up to the SC then have a sniff, then nails the LR |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 2:08pm
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with your reel capacity Simon, trust me in this, you dont need alot of line, just make sure the spool is full, no mater what the experts tell you it comes down to a few things, the more line you have out the easier it is to pop, the more line you have out the drag can be horendous and yip pop.
we went away from 50's not because they were no good hell no i got alot of fish on them.
but a few years back we had a blue invasion and it was hard to get a stripey, oh the hard ship, we never landed a blue nor did we hook one up, reason for this was easy i was not going out to where they were, but those that did could be heard on the VHF asking for spools of 24 if anyone had them, it happened again this season and we heard the same comments on the VHF, this year yes we did hook a few 4 to be exact and hell did we loose some 37, ask Bender he was on one of them, Rono lost 7 blues, they were his first fish of the season, ask him what happened to the line.
so no matter what gear you have line capacity is not the be all to end all, just make sure you have a full spool, and get gear that can handle the fish you are chasing. because sure as god made little green apples you dont always catch what you are targeting, it gets worse as they get bigger.
mate if the guys are out there doing it on 15 or less on 30's etc then a TLD 50 or the like will do the job no worries, my TLD's have account for a good number of fish for me and with 700m cap its all good, but what i am getting at is this and Adam has already elluded to it as well, when the big girl comes along you have to be prepared and in some cases not even the 80 will do it for you.
Buy what you can afford, try to do it right 1st time because it becomes expensive if you stuff around at bit, me i ran 9/0 penns for years then in the 90's i went to the TLD 50's having 6 of them, then onto the Tiagra 50's and then in 2005 i got and run all 80's and have never looked back.
anyways if you want a brand new still in the Box TLD 50 then PM me i can get you one for $450,
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 2:22pm
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oh and in keeping with what DA has said, local knowledge cannot be beaten at all, you can have the fancy gear etc and it all looks nice and flash but they dont tell you where the fish are, how many on here have still got there gear out doing it??? cause i bet the SST and the "has to be 20*" brigade have put em all away yet they are getting them all over in water as cold as 17, and as shallow as 130m....
but where do you go, tis easy ask and you shall recieve,
if it was not for the winds over the weekend there would be 3 boats off this site out having a go, and where will we head, easy 160 line how do we know, local knowledge.
a large low is coming our way from the top of Aussie and winds are predicted to go to the east will this keep the water warmer and in the right areas, hell i hope so cause next week i am hoping to get out for another look. ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: Bender
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 2:25pm
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Dead Ant says: In my limited experience, the one thing I have learned is to fish where the fish are! Now that's bloody good advice. It seems logical, but lots of people miss that. All the stuff we did on the boat and to the gear was peripheral to the fact that we have managed on three occasions to drag our lures over the top of an angry marlin.
Mr Obald and his capable volunteer Mr Dead Ant will be doing a "how to get the most from your SST" presentation at the gamefish debrief this year.
Now I better get it organised.
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Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 2:31pm
| 120-150 from cavallis - doubtless, i no cause i live at whangaroa too, local knowledge yer it is the best why for a towny to get the hot goss, petrol stations not a a bad idea either esp kaeo. i will say tho a lot of the fisherman keep things to there selfs and dont say alot unless their mates, |
Posted By: wetdream
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 2:33pm
Is that the new 2sp one with the big handle?
Man thats a good deal I would'nt mind one of those for puka. ------------- Like us on: facebook/stanleysigns.com |
Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 3:01pm
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Just watched the Bluewater Fishing NZ DVD for the first time since we
put it out there to see what Bender's been on about for the last 4
years...he is right *choke*...it's really not too bad, production wise
I mean as the info is still relivent and provides an excellent overview
for anyone getting in to game fishing! Pretty good for a couple of guys
giving this fishing TV lark a shot!! ....The ITM Fishing Show was spawned from that production basically. I am sure there is lots of quality info already posted and not wanting to risk upsetting anyone as seems to happen when I post on the "work up", I'll leave my 2cents out of it but do consider livebaiting (Sorry Obald) as a good "newbie" method of catching all manner of game fish. good luck! |
Posted By: Espresso
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 3:03pm
.....and of course then there's the absolute essentials - like music 'pump up the volume', chilled beer supplies and of course shouting obscenities while flapping  This of course can be practised at home (the neighbours will def. leave you alone then) but true panic shouting is an art form to behold and really, if you don't swear and shout a lot of useless jabber at the start of the howling reel - well, you'll just never catch a fish eh! Never mind when the leader approaches....brain-valve-bouncing thrills!!!
......see how excited the mere mention of Marlin fishing gets a thread and it's followers amped up.
God I need to get another hit, one more time seeing the rod yank over and that reel howl, just one more time!!!!!
YEEEEEHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA......
 edit : KEZZA ---- YOU, YOU are one of the main people I blame for this addiction, those dam DVD's and shows...what do you think you were doing man?!!! Look what you've done - cost me thousands....but the rewards..........absolutely priceless. Buy that man a drink!! Cheers
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Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 3:31pm
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As you say BA, I definitely don't want to rush in and buy a reel to find out it's not going to do the job and have to go and buy a new one.
Will definitelty be listening for where the fish are and asking around. I wouldn't have a clue where to look otherwise. As for music. Si's Limit doesn't have a sound system, but it is doable. I was wondering about the noise factor... With the 4stroke and small footprint, I'm not exactly going to be getting the attention of many fish. Would floor mounted speakers facing down be the go? Sub? ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: obald
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 4:16pm
I'm glad I know that  I think it would be better titled 'What I do with bog standard NIWA SSTs' ------------- Random musings on all sorts of things http://obaldnz.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - http://obaldnz.blogspot.com/ 
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 4:55pm
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sorry Dave that was no dig at yourself at all, we use em as well. ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: Ski
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 10:10pm
well id love to tell you to head out from the hokianga when its hot but think in your boat id stick to the east coast si and the sounds are a must and dont forget plenty of air berley ------------- yamaha reliability senator stability shimano superiority the rest is up to the fish! |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2007 at 1:05pm
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be interesting to see which side of the coast they turn up on next season..... im always happerier if a good concintration heads down the West coast..... and Si if this is the case and your keen to head out over the Manakau bar and have a go you will only need your snapper gear to land one.... 25mts to 100mts is were its at and normaly 50mts is the best place to be so no monster reels needed out there.... even 15kg is ok for them out here so if your thinking west is were you might go then give me a PM and i will send you some GPS marks to start from...... |
Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2007 at 1:55pm
| what happens if the marlin doent go deep, and it peels 600m off ya fu*ked |
Posted By: wetdream
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2007 at 2:41pm
Never mind the amount of line, I would of thought going over the Manukau Bar or out to the 200m mark of the east coast you would have to be hard man in a 4.8m tinny, I'm sure it can be done (and probably has been) but I've been out the east coast out wide and even on a good day it can be a job to get home if the wind decides to start blowing.
Put two blokes all ya gear extra petrol and the weight of a marlin lets say 100kg on board and you'll want it to be pretty bloody flat out there late in the afternoon coming home IMHO. ------------- Like us on: facebook/stanleysigns.com |
Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2007 at 3:26pm
| over the one base there was a guy fishing in a 12ft tinny at 400m hooke dup to a becky,and the guy out in his thundercat blowing 15knots at 400m keen, if you r keen yr keen |
Posted By: Fishb8
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2007 at 4:27pm
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Hi Finatic - My 2cents worth. Really agree on dead Ant's suggestion to use a skippy strike as a practice run, at least a couple of times. Another suggestion if you have cable steering, then you'll turn in a circle when idling forward unattended. We have a bungy on the dash and wrap it on the wheel to keep us moving on a straight line.
We fish out of Raglan in a 15 ft Marco and have snagged 5 marlin. Best hits have come from med sprocket, evil. Even got one on small jet-head in lumo on 15 kg. If we run a skippy/albie lure, the lure watcher holds it. ------------- Be yourself; everyone else is already taken |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2007 at 6:54pm
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yeh dead right there Roy, a few skippys up your sleeve to iron out any cobwebs is a sure way to get everything sorted...... our 17ter with a 90hp brought back 3 yellowfin and a 117kg marlin in one day from over the bar.... and the lumo sproket sure hungs them out to dry on the west coast for some reason.... |
Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2007 at 8:47am
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Thanks guys. Yeah the east coast is going to be the place for me I would think. I've got 90L underfloor capacity as well as a 24L tote. Running a 60hp 4 stroke how much fuel would I be likely to use in a day?
Was out drooling over tackle yesterday. Came across a couple of Tiagra 50Ws and Backbone fully rollered 24kg rods on special for $899ea. Is that a good deal? ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: Adam Scott
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2007 at 8:59am
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Very good deal, those new?
Livebaiting would be a better option than lures in my view. Off Whangaroa/Taheke there are usually large skippie schools, catch a couple and drag them, less fuel used, dont need to worry about ya small wake raising fish like lures, even the biggest of boats only normally tow 2 baits so you only need 2 reels, you will be just as competative as the next boat. Also be close to the Cavallis for protection should the wind kick up. Plenty of good foul in the 70-100m area off Flat/Cavallis.
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Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2007 at 9:05am
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Yep, brandspanking ones. The 50W felt like a good size to me. Would it be best to go for fully rollered or just roller tip?
For livebaiting I could easily put tuna tubes in my boat. I could use my existing livebait tank plumbing which is currently redundant. ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: obald
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2007 at 9:17am
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Just roller tip (get the overszed one - they look absurdly big - to deal with your wind ons) and maybe stripper guide. Get the heavy duty three foot Fufi ceramic guides for the rest. ------------- Random musings on all sorts of things http://obaldnz.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - http://obaldnz.blogspot.com/
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Posted By: Espresso
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2007 at 9:57am
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Yeah I've got a couple of 50's on Shimano 24kg rods - fuji guides and just a roller tip. Beautiful. No complaints at all, very nice. Goood deal, buy them. Personally I love spending money , but that aside....you're going to spend a whole-lotta-money on boat, engine, gas, getting there, hours of study (when you're supposed to be working,likemenow)......get the best reel with top quality line. The moment of truth finally arrives....the rod bends in protest and the reel starts that magical howl of alarm....now the most important things are just very few....the reel/rod, the line and the hooks. I tell ya, my last Marlin took several hundred metres of line in his first run (and second), snatching a lure at 18kts was putting me and the gear to the test. It's a wonderful feeling of added confidence to know you have got the best chance of landing it with great gear. You've got enough to do without stressing about will your reel fry itself, will the line heat up on the guides and snap etc. To me saving a relatively insignificant amount of money on the gear that really counts is a waste.
I gotta stop reading this thread Finatic, I just get all,,,,,, twitchy. Mind you the smoked Marlin chunks with a cold beer with a mate who dropped by yesterday - well, just great! Time to check to check that forecast again
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Posted By: wetdream
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2007 at 10:44am
I looked at these at the boatshow and they were $1100+ that's a good deal ------------- Like us on: facebook/stanleysigns.com |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2007 at 10:50am
fark me Simon you have to ask??? TLD 50's are about the same i would go get a few and if you cant buy em now layby the bloody things cause as sure as god made little green apples come November they will be back to $1200 slides.
ring a couple of shops and ask what they are doing them for........ ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2007 at 10:51am
Oh oh ohhh 5 days out from pay day and I can feel the wallet fizzing.  ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2007 at 12:07pm
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My sanity was questioned a couple of times over the weekend. �Are you crazy?�, �You ARE crazy!�, �Why don�t you get a bigger boat?�
Thought maybe the latter wasn�t such a bad suggestion. Priced up a Surtees 5.5 Workmate so far. Pretty expensive going for a new boat again, but I�ll be keeping my eyes peeled over the coming months just to see what pops up on the 2nd hand market. Anyway, this is the current battleship and what I�ve got to play with at this stage � Si�s Limit. Not a big boat, but she�s well built and fairly solid with 4mm hull, 3mm sides and 4mm treadplate deck. Sealed underfloor chambers and 90L underfloor tank. 
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Posted By: Espresso
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2007 at 1:25pm
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"�Are you crazy?�, �You ARE crazy!� Excellent - now you know you're onto something good
I see no real issues. You said you were changing the plastic rod holders I seem to remember?
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Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2007 at 1:32pm
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Yeah, at this stage I've got a couple of stainless rod holders for the rear-most positions. I've got safety lines for all four holders at the moment. But there is no way they'll hold together especially if a large amount of strain is put on them. So I'm going to splice some new ones up. Last thing I want is a nice gold real going swimming. ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: Rank Amateur
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2007 at 1:41pm
| Most certainly not!! I'd be diving overboard if that happened - and not to swim after the gear! |
Posted By: Espresso
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2007 at 2:09pm
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I like my safety lines long Finatic with a little stainless carribeaner thingy and some braided nylon string - just in case the excitement is too much and I grab the reel without unhooking it first. This means I can shove the rod into the gimbal, clip in onto the reel and then remove the saftey line if needed (especially the case with the reel(s) I have up on the rocket launcher). Also this allows me to keep reasonable drag on the fish and not having to back off too much, just to lift the rod and clip-in to the gimbal - because at that stage I wont have slowed down from 7kts either. The excess line I just loop up on itself and keep tucked out of the way. You've already got two game chairs and a spare (chilly bin) I see. I use my baitboard to help transport rods out, then transfer out of the way to the rocket launcher and ditch the board up front when putting the lures out. Simple eh.
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Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2007 at 2:56pm
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Good tips there Espresso
FishB8's cheap auto pilot idea is also a good one. i remember that method on Bender's old boat. ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: wetdream
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2007 at 3:11pm
Now were talking, what's the budget? ------------- Like us on: facebook/stanleysigns.com |
Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2007 at 3:26pm
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Wetdream, I could really let loose and get something fancy... but I keep reminding myself that the aim of this exercise is to try and catch a marlin from my first boat. So, I'll stick to that plan...for now.
But yeah, if something pops up at the right price then I might consider it. I am a great procrastinator, but I'll know at the time. ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2007 at 4:10pm
| ypi could get some for her, trademe usually has a few on there, plonker did a small boat set up his lil 14fter i think, had riggers etc looked the part and did the biso |
Posted By: Marligator
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2007 at 5:08pm
| Espresso, did I read correctly, you get one of your marlin at 18knts, if so what lure were you trolling? I am keen to do some hgh speed trolling as we sometimes motor from Tauranga out to the Rangitiras or White Is in a mates boat, so if it cuts up a bit lumpy and we have to slow down to about 18knts we can troll some lures. |
Posted By: Adam Scott
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2007 at 8:45am
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Marligator, I was told it was on one of Roddys Unicorns. We have been running one of these and one of his Ogres for our high speed stuff and both run well at up to 22knots. Also if you have any of Bruce Rileys old "Branks" lures(shaving brush things) they run well at up to 18knots.
Unicorn
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Posted By: Marligator
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2007 at 12:33pm
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Thanks for that Adam, I remember the old Branks lures well, I have got one somewhere. We used to use one when I was deckying for Bob Ash on Anita Rose in the early 90's. Boy we used to get some shots on it until we lost it.
I will have to get a couple of those unicorns I think. What colour seems to work best in NZ.
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Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2007 at 3:54pm
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Bugger! Went to the shops today with the intention of fondling and possibly even buying a reel. I got the combo specials muddled the other day and it is infact the 50N and Backbone that is $899. The 50W on a Tiagra rod is $1150.
Just out of curiosity... what's the difference between a 50W and a 50WLRSA? ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: wetdream
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2007 at 4:15pm
Not sure, I was also looking at them today the is the 50wlrsa is the one with the nicer handle is'nt there one of each on Trademe at the mo?
That's still a pretty good price the 50w were 1k and the Tiagra rods were around 250 wern't they? It was the Kilwel Live fibre rod for 500 that really caught my eye but.
Finatic keep looking on TM there seams to be more and more every day on there, I'm sure it will get better the more winter sets in to, (here hopin anyways) ------------- Like us on: facebook/stanleysigns.com |
Posted By: Adam Scott
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2007 at 4:20pm
| LR stands for Long Range, they have a couple of extra washers in them as so as the drag can be fished harder ie a 50lb reel setup with 100lb braid on the long range tuna boats in Southern Cal. Dont get one for standard line weights. |
Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2007 at 4:23pm
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Yeah WD, I'm keeping an eye out everywhere.
Cool, cheers Adam. ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: mangre
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2007 at 5:26pm
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buy a decent rod bro, rod works make a good range, bent butt even better. Mind you if you run, power gum, its not such an issue. ------------- "But why is the rum gone?!"- Captain(!)Jack Sparrow. |
Posted By: mozz
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2007 at 7:30pm
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Si get squabs for your seats, after a day of trolling you will know why.
Other things I have learnt being way off the coast in a wee boat is:
- Run home before the seabreeze gets to full strength. small boats in a following sea make for a crappy ride home.
- If you are fishing solo maybe run 2 rods and a skippy lure ( had 2 rods, skippy lure and a teaser and it all took a bit too long to get in when hooked up)
If with another guy run as much gear as you can but just make sure the other fella knows what to do and how to go about it should you get a strike should you get a strike.
at least an extra gimbal belt if there is two of you
Always wear a saftey line fishing solo.
Good luck for next season, if I have still got my boat I will be out ther next to ya
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Posted By: Stefan
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2007 at 7:56pm
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I bought a fully rollered rod from west harbour marine $119 for a 37Kg stand up from Youvella. Not a fancy brand but it looks good and gets me in the game on a budget. Stripped it and greased all the rollers, looks good with my Okuma 50W
Stefan
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