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    Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 9:03am
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I've just read this article, and while it is what many have long suspected I never thought I'd hear it from MPI.

The Ministry for Primary Industries has admitted that illegal fish dumping is so widespread that if the rules were properly enforced over half of inshore fishers would go out of business.

"Fisheries Management can't quantify the tonnages involved but we suspect they are significant to the point that they are impacting on stocks."

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/313631/mpi-official-admits-fish-dumping-widespread
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Sorry if this is in the wrong place, wasn't sure if it was news, fisheries management, or other.  But this is something that everyone needs to read, only a very short article.
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Unbelievable but sadly true.
Suspect the root cause is lack of respect of everything that is or could be good about this sad country.
And from this arises addiction to money at any cost,in this case from our fisheries.
Totally surprised MPI even admitted this, as it blows the myth of good fisheries management clean out of the water.
Need a strong coffee.
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So how many times has the Minister or someone from MPI looked the camera in the eye and knowingly lied to our faces in saying that fish dumping was not widespread and not an issue for the management of stocks??

The fear now is that the camera monitoring system is exactly what people are thinking it is and will be held up as 'proof' of good fishing practices for the next 10 years until we dig another email out of MPI under the OIA that tells us how it is really just a publicity stunt to hide the illegal practices being used and how much damage they are doing. By then it may be too late.
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Agree ,cameras are just a smokescreen . Issue at hand is fish dumping right now,not cameras.
Article says boats detected dumping in 2012 were supplying Sanfords,the home of "sustainable seafood".

Nothing sustainable about that
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Thanks Kevin I read the article - what concerns me is the spin once again put out after email published, by MPI themselves that it is not that bad and now we monitor so it wont continue to happen (and they are probably having a go at authors of email as we speak to shut them up).
 
I am sorry but I have lost confidence in the "everything is ok" story as we can see that there are less fish around than used to be in highly populated areas.  And these stories don't go away but keep coming up.
 
Why was the camera monitoring of fishing fleets delayed for so long and why is it being run by a fishing company?
 
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I have just finished writing to my local MP about this.  I encourage everyone who believes that government departments condoning illegal fishing practices is not acceptable do the same.  Only if enough of us make it clear that we will not accept this will anything get done, otherwise it will get ignored.
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Originally posted by Tagit Tagit wrote:

So how many times has the Minister or someone from MPI looked the camera in the eye and knowingly lied to our faces in saying that fish dumping was not widespread and not an issue for the management of stocks??

The fear now is that the camera monitoring system is exactly what people are thinking it is and will be held up as 'proof' of good fishing practices for the next 10 years until we dig another email out of MPI under the OIA that tells us how it is really just a publicity stunt to hide the illegal practices being used and how much damage they are doing. By then it may be too late.


And if one other poster is correct and they are now incorporating mincers, any evidence of wastage and mortality will be evacuated beneath the boat. No more "visual" evidence. Viola, An efficient new boat with little to no wastage.
Will there be a camera pointed directly at the mouth of the mincer?
I guess only time will tell.
Remember, MPI has been charged by Government with doubling primary exports by the year 2025. If I remember correctly.
You can have the most efficient boat in the world. However, you can not catch fish if they are not there.
The question then becomes, "how do we get extra from the existing biomass"?
We all know the answer.
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Why would anyone build new boats to fish a fishery that in some areas is down to around 6% of biomass.
That simply is not sound business practice or sense.
Suspect a lot is hidden about the purpose of these boats.
Is it possible they could also be used for towing nets full of small snapper to holding pens for fattening up.
And we all know what they would most likely be fed---fresh anchovies or pilchards.
And we also can guess what that would do to the remaining wild fishery , sea mammals ,and bird population.
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From what I read they are factory type vessels and will only discharge when net not in use.pumps out underwater to stop birds getting caught.but who knows if there will be a monitor or not
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Originally posted by pjc pjc wrote:


From what I read they are factory type vessels and will only discharge when net not in use.pumps out underwater to stop birds getting caught.but who knows if there will be a monitor or not


Mmmmm. Once something has gone through the mincer there is absolutely now way of knowing what it was nor how big it was.
Will the tonnes put through these mincers be counted in the boats/companies quota?
Probably not as there is no proof what the species was.
So I suspect it will be a gestimated weight, if allowed for at all, just as the legally allowed for 450 tonnes of mortality/wastage annually is.
Spoke to some MPI people at the previous meetings and all agreed the 450 tonnes was an out of date value and all suggested it was on the low side.
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Just this weekend I spoke to my neighbour at Kawhia about this wastage, he was a crewman on the trawler Fair Dinkim, long gone from Kawhia, his estimate was around 50% went back over the side, wrong size, wrong species, too many and so on.
This has been an industry practise for may years.
 
Not that long ago I put up a post re trawlers on average catch 1 dolphin a week in their trawl nets in snapper 1, was pooh poohed,
(this also came from a crewman) not so out the now as I see 2 hectors were reported last week (both died) in trawl nets.
 
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Originally posted by feeder feeder wrote:


Just this weekend I spoke to my neighbour at Kawhia about this wastage, he was a crewman on the trawler Fair Dinkim, long gone from Kawhia, his estimate was around 50% went back over the side, wrong size, wrong species, too many and so on.


When was he fishing?
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He fished with Alan Langdon (owner) for approx 5 years, mid eightys to early ninetys, he is now 80 years old.
 
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I would like to see the Maori Party take a real strong stand on this and threaten to withdraw Govt support unless something is done smartly including an over hall and sacking on MPI senior staff and moving the Minister on to something he can handle.
These are the issues the Maori Party should be leveraging off as it affects them quite a bit in the long run and would give them a real point of difference. However, I suspect they are part of the problem with their boats dumping too. 
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It was interesting listening to the radio interview part with the senior guy from MPI. His response to lots of questioning about the truth around dumping was effectively that it was irrelevant because they were going to have cameras now. Note that he didn't deny that dumping was a huge issue, just tried to say that it was irrelevant. That means that every time someone from MPI or the government has previously commented about how dumping was so minor that it wasn't an issue, they were presenting us with deliberate lies. Normally getting caught in a deliberate public lie is a sacking offense for a minister or senior government official, but in this case Mr Key hasn't even entered the discussion. What that suggests is that they are so used to lying about the management of our fisheries that they have forgotten that they are meant to be telling the truth. The even sadder thing is that we are so used to being lied to about our fisheries by the government that no one has raised a serious public voice to get the minister sacked on the back of being exposed by this report.
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"if the rules were properly enforced over half of inshore fishers would go out of business."

Has to be the quote of the year that
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don't get too sentimental there tagit,"Mr" Key is a shameless liar,frequently caught out.
He doesn't care and no one else seems to either.
They've(supposedly) been voted in twice now
Shouldn't come as any surprise that  the team follow the captains' lead.
What are you gonna do about it?
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So ultimately who gives the right to trash a public fishery.
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Once 6 new psh mini super trawlers are operating you can kiss your fish goodbye.l mean your 7 fish.The mincers will hide the evidence of anything they don't want.They will be fishing the areas the Danish scieners are currently.

The entire fisheries is a shambles.

Many changes are going to be pushed for in your fisheries.

Treaty of Waitangi settlement for Ngatiwai.Ngatimanuhiri is in Snap1

This will be earmarked Iwi controls Snap1

This is now being set up under Seachange..Whanu are active in this role already..check your appointed people.

This is going on behind closed doors

The current Snap1 management plan is part of it ...Any person or group of people who have had input into this plan know

The management plan is a smokescreen for what is really in store for us all.

Get rid of the Quota system
Likewise Mpi out of our fisheries
Stop using our fish as an excuse as sustainable..it's not

Management of our fisheries is not for money.
Nor should it be controlled by the people who are involved in this new mangement plan

Don't shoot the messenger!!
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