 mowerman wrote:we have said it all before..no one really listens ( MPI or Gov )... |
hookerpuka wrote:
Get off your GOVT bashing coarse MM. The issue is Man kind doesn't learn, not just GOVT. You like them (comms) aren't willing to sacrifice your quota either to improve the situation, until everyone works together instead of pointing fingers at who's to blame nothing will ever change. and the same goes for land clean up, the mighty dollar and mans greed are pretty much the issue. I bet bartering was so much more fun as well. |
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"So point the finger at everybody" If u read my post it does.....and over all issues ," I didn't see Key out here hammering the fish stocks. the people responsible are the people fishing," 1st, I mention GovernmentS 2nd IF key happens to lead the current government then at the end of the day it is HE who allows who to fish for what size how many etc ... or pollute whatever.. at THIS point in time.. and if memory severs me right HE made adjustments that came in last April... NOT the population man kind whatever " be it comms or rec, don't be naive thinking the Rec take is small especially around the Hauraki. Beach and boat weekend weighs 13 ton of fish roughly... 1200 anglers over 2 days. that says something. on a busy day in the gulf how many people do you think are on the water and what effect do you think that level of take will have? Peoples thinking needs to change on all sides not just Comms. " Naive? no the reality is if rec fishers do not stand up for what they think is a fair share of the resource they/ we will get none....but it seems that u believe we have a fair share and the coms do also ......otherwise you would also be *****ing about hard fishing... which many of the comms also happen to be doing so as well... We are very clear where we stand... Rec fishing takes priority over com fishing in harbours and gulfs... same page as Legasea really What I dont get is where some others stand.....regardless of how mild or extreme their stand is And lets not forget there is a huge industry based on rec fishing... from retail . wholesale, manufacturing , charters , tourism.... Many of us have seen fishing/ reef conditions etc from the late 50s thru to mid 70s when the resource was in a state of collpse....40 odd yrs on its still no better, arguably worse, and if was not for technology would be worse... A handful of guys are prepared to get off their butts and be proactive... guys like MM and the legasea guys.. each have their own way, resources to do this....knock either motivation and u knock both At the end of the day we or our children WILL get the marine resource the deserve/ earnt And the attidue of too many over the last 50yrs say well will have a collapsed marine resource Which by coincidence is just what MANKIND has done from your own definition, which it seems that you are quite acceptable with |
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| hookerpuka wrote: Unfortunately the side effect of growing populations, what law do you put in place to control this though? if you don't build then the house prices sky rocket. then people complain about that. Farming is a huge part of NZ in both economy and way of life, be it dairy or beef, hell even vegetables, how do you fix the unreversible. hell even pine forests have devastating effects on the environment and NZ is half covered in the damned things. For things to return back to how they were pre man, there need to be know man. |
hookerpuka wrote:
There lies the issue with fish stocks. Fare share and standing up for there biggest piece of the pie.... that is the issue and the issue is in the thinking. them vs us, we want more they deserve less and that's from both sides. It's a flawed way of thinking from the start. How about we all take less? fish rebuild faster and everything is all G. then you can take more, Just not as much as we used to take. It's easy to point fingers, its harder to swallow our own pill. I have older folks walking in my door telling me about the days gone by and how the commercials have ruined the fishing, how they used to load boats to the gunnel because there were some many out there and then bury them in there gardens because they didn't know what to do with them, Yeah it's all on commercials shoulders huh?. |
mowerman wrote:
Yeah it's all on commercials shoulders huh?. ..... Your dam right..they ruined it for everyone ..KY near fish to extinction being a classic point |
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