Auckland's Hauraki Gulf in dire straits
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Topic: Auckland's Hauraki Gulf in dire straits
Posted By: Lethal
Subject: Auckland's Hauraki Gulf in dire straits
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 6:49pm
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------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
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Posted By: Godders
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 7:20pm
| Money for nothing and your fish for free? |
Posted By: Fishabunga
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 8:28pm
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Ha Ha Godders ------------- FISH FIGHT AOTEAROA THE PEOPLES PROTEST |
Posted By: brmbrm
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 10:41pm
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Unfortunately, this is nothing that we don't know. The pressure due to the large growth in population in the area, commercial fisheries and conseqent effects and pollution are having the expected results. Won't be long before it goes the way of UK inshore decades ago: NZ never learns. Solutions? Rec only areas, cutting quotas, over-fishing (e.g. Hawke's Bay) punished by losing quota which is returned to the rec quota, whatever - all these need political will, which is not going to occur for some years I feel. Oh well.
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 10:54pm
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yes i feel for the younger generation, it is going to be a long haul before it ever changes...
------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 11:14pm
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we have said it all before..no one really listens ( MPI or Gov )... Around 12,450 bottom trawls took place on the gulf between 2011 and 2013.>> now increasing amounts of small fish up to 5 yrs old ,Older mature breeders on the decline ..gene pool now favours smaller fish There were more than 27,000 commercial scallop dredge tows between 2010 and 2012.>> No scallops left Intense farming around the Hauraki region - which includes both Auckland and the Coromandel - and nitrogen levels in rivers are already high and predicted to increase. There have been high levels of copper, lead and mercury recorded in Auckland estuaries and the Firth of Thames No wonder the place is going backwards..mussels must be good for you with copper, lead and mercury ------------- The People Protest Actions Speak Louder Than Words |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 12:10am
Obama to create world’s largest protected marine reserve in Pacific Ocean, http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-to-create-worlds-largest-protected-marine-reserve-in-pacific-ocean/2014/09/24/e2ecaab4-433e-11e4-b47c-f5889e061e5f_story.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-to-create-worlds-largest-protected-marine-reserve-in-pacific-ocean/2014/09/24/e2ecaab4-433e-11e4-b47c-f5889e061e5f_story.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/17/why-is-obama-protecting-a-place-youve-never-heard-of-we-explain/" rel="nofollow - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/17/why-is-obama-protecting-a-place-youve-never-heard-of-we-explain/ from almost 87,000 square miles to more than 490,000 square miles, Obama has protected more acres of federal land and sea by executive power than any other president in at least 50 years and makes the area off-limits to commercial fishing. i guess this is one way of keeping the Chinese out of your backyard.. ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 8:35am
Get off your GOVT bashing coarse MM. The issue is Man kind doesn't learn, not just GOVT. You like them (comms) aren't willing to sacrifice your quota either to improve the situation, until everyone works together instead of pointing fingers at who's to blame nothing will ever change. and the same goes for land clean up, the mighty dollar and mans greed are pretty much the issue. I bet bartering was so much more fun as well.
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mowerman wrote:Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 8:52am
Sorry hookerpuka..but that where all the blame sits ..they allow it to happen and keep letting it happen..I think where it is now is there is a slow shift coming from groups like seachange,some of that will be good some not. I will always put the blame where it is and point it directly to those responsible ..no eyes or foresight by those who refuse to adapt and change there ways until its forced upon them...Its constant pressure by some that bring changes Yes man kind is blind, those in charge should open their eyes ,but they don't ..that's why pressure is applied , some stand up against all this GREED and destruction , MM being one of them ------------- The People Protest Actions Speak Louder Than Words |
Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 9:00am
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Governments are there to protect from unscrupulous individuals and companies That is how "man kind" protects.. or suppost to. Companies by law are required to maximise returns back to the shareholders within the law...made by governments. So If we are just to piont the finger at "man kind" then we may as well completely ban All comments re marine resources in the forums and give up right? And at the end of the day , when things get too much after inactive governments fail to live up to their regitory responsabilty to its citizens... THEN ta couple citizens START jumping up and down... WHEN a lot join them... after usually backstabbing them for a few yrs... something is done at government level That is how it works and has worked for a few thousand yrs now All we need to do is decide where we stand in relationship to our marine resources and decide where we position ourselves in relation to jumping up and down Some get active, vocal, other donate, other give lip service, other knock all or some of the above as extremists or crack pots.... usually as history judges, wrongfully. Now Im not in full agreement with MM on how where what to protest at... but definately in full agreement he is on the right track.....and do not knock him for that.... Just a little food for thought |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 9:01am
| So point the finger at everybody, I didn't see Key out here hammering the fish stocks. the people responsible are the people fishing, be it comms or rec, don't be naive thinking the Rec take is small especially around the Hauraki. Beach and boat weekend weighs 13 ton of fish roughly... 1200 anglers over 2 days. that says something. on a busy day in the gulf how many people do you think are on the water and what effect do you think that level of take will have? Peoples thinking needs to change on all sides not just Comms. |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 9:06am
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Not talking about fish numbers but on water quality,no doubt the 2 go hand in hand. Subdivision allowed to take place so sediment and disturbed minerals can run off in to the sea. more traffic with pollutants going in to waterways and out to sea. higher population of boat owners,oil,bilge water entering sea plus shipping dumping ballast off coast and who knows what it contains? under currant by laws in auckland cannot discharge sewage from a vessel within 250/500m of shore?must have a holding tank but where are convenient pump stations?none so out it goes. ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: Clifftastic
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 9:07am
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I hear you hookerpuka. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 9:29am
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Unfortunately the side effect of growing populations, what law do you put in place to control this though? if you don't build then the house prices sky rocket. then people complain about that. Farming is a huge part of NZ in both economy and way of life, be it dairy or beef, hell even vegetables, how do you fix the unreversible. hell even pine forests have devastating effects on the environment and NZ is half covered in the damned things. For things to return back to how they were pre man, there need to be know man.
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Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 10:05am
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Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 10:22am
There lies the issue with fish stocks. Fare share and standing up for there biggest piece of the pie.... that is the issue and the issue is in the thinking. them vs us, we want more they deserve less and that's from both sides. It's a flawed way of thinking from the start. How about we all take less? fish rebuild faster and everything is all G. then you can take more, Just not as much as we used to take. It's easy to point fingers, its harder to swallow our own pill. I have older folks walking in my door telling me about the days gone by and how the commercials have ruined the fishing, how they used to load boats to the gunnel because there were some many out there and then bury them in there gardens because they didn't know what to do with them, Yeah it's all on commercials shoulders huh?.
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Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 10:44am
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yes the older generation who fished in the 1930s,40s even the 50s can tell you how they would come home after a weekend with 60/70 fish,yes they feed family neighbours but they were not out weekdays/weekends at every single opportunity,they certainly(according to grandparents)were not fishing same areas week after week. fishing trips were generally once a month.No doubt both sides have contributed to the state of our fisheries,but dragging nets across large areas of seabed to retrieve net and discover not targeted species or size is a main waste. I think(stand to be corrected)tutukaka game fish club there is a photo of a morning session out chasing marlin,the photo shows 48 swords sticking up from the ground,now thats a waste from memory 1930s era?someone on here would of seen the photo ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 12:44pm
Absolutely. there should be a moratorium on breeding. That is a fact. The problem is capitalism needs an ever increasing population to survive. That is why our goods no longer last 15 - 20 years. Planned obsolescence is in built to force people to by more. The bigger the population the more sales. Whether they need the items or not. I know it sounds cruel and will probably get my head ripped off. However people who can not support themselves, let alone children, should not be allowed to have children. To me that is child abuse. The world needs less people. Not more. Capitalism needs more people to sell to. Vicious circle. I do have faith however that man will eventually take care of the over population problem by himself. Either by a deliberate act or and act of stupidity. The human race is the equivalent of a virus and mother nature will eventually purge herself. I suspect it will not be pretty which ever way it starts. If Ebola reaches Asia then we will really get an idea of what nature is capable of and just how frail man really is without technology. ------------- Legasea Legend Member |
Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 1:18pm
Yeah it's all on commercials shoulders huh?. ..... Your dam right..they ruined it for everyone ..KY near fish to extinction being a classic point ------------- The People Protest Actions Speak Louder Than Words |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 2:35pm
Some people really do struggle to see past the peak of there own cap!
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Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 5:01pm
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"that is the issue and the issue is in the thinking. them vs us, we want
more they deserve less and that's from both sides. It's a flawed way of
thinking from the start." And that is a very different interpretation for sake of argument than what I have stated above... It started with about Government decisions , and its still the Government decision to decide at the end of the day how the resource should be split.....Comms AND rec And IF u think that 30cm bag 10, is a far share for recs, when those bags are near impossible to get , and the comms share is currently correct then fine... But many of us dont see that is currently sustainable as a whole, nor the split of what is left fair and THATS where the problem lays Dont go putting words into my mouth or making assumptions.. we all know what ASSUME stands for |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 5:30pm
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Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 5:31pm
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Posted By: Clutch
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 5:39pm
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Sorry but no, The commercial boys have to get out of the gulf period! Recreational fishing is paramount to our residents and future generations.
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Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 5:54pm
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Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 6:11pm
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the fish size is being reduced downwards. Large mature breeders have been decimated ,Coms get to them first due to their legal size being smaller than the Recs ( Why??? ), there should be one size for all. They take 25cm fish which are 5 yrs old and have breed once.. In theory they could fish the whole area down ( in which they are doing ) The end result is lots off small fish up to 29.99 , they all belong to Coms ..Thats a fact.. As all they kill all the pre 25cm fish caught in nets... Any fish we catch under 30cm are released ( mostly dead ) ------------- The People Protest Actions Speak Louder Than Words |
Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 7:23pm
Any guesses as to where this topic should be????????? Great topic! Great info! Wrong place  ------------- Best gurnard fisherman in my street |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 7:24pm
Cool so since they cant catch in the gulf they will just hover them up prior to getting there... good thinking batman. I guess out of site out of mind, cant see it so it doesn't happen, It's funny that Auckland consider there needs higher than say the far north where some of those families rely on the food from fish to live. |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 7:28pm
when does the camera surveillance come in to effect? ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 7:29pm
Yep sorry smudge i will shut up now :P |
Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 7:31pm
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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 7:34pm
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No problems Hookerpuka, I'm just trying to get the point across as the Briney Bar is getting absolutely inundated with this stuff. while it IS important some people want to talk about other stuff too. Maybe we need a forum specifically for fisheries management. ------------- Best gurnard fisherman in my street |
Posted By: Clutch
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 7:45pm
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Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 8:11pm
12450 Bottom trawls. What they havent highlighted is on average how many nautical miles would each of those trawls cover. To know that ,even roughly,would place an added perspective . |
Posted By: Fishabunga
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 8:27pm
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Trawlers and gill netters need to be pushed out beyond the 100 metre mark nationwide not just the hauraki gulf. The mass destruction of the inshore fisheries is unsustainable and the wastage is appalling. ------------- FISH FIGHT AOTEAROA THE PEOPLES PROTEST |
Posted By: Clutch
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 9:23pm
Absolutely!
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Posted By: Bruce
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 9:52pm
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Maybe Barrack found some oil in those places and just want's it for himself...who knows? The main point is that we are all aware of the situation in our water and we care. Now we just need to see how brave we are and how much we can do collectively and individually protect and enhance what gift we have |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2014 at 1:05am
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i put the Obama post up here thinking how brave he was making it Commercial free, Rec's only Reserve, this is one part of the Reserve called Palmyra Atoll,  this is the other part of the Reserve which is barely above the sea, called Kingman Reef..  where are these reefs????  this new area Obama has made into a reserve will be: would encompass nearly 782,000 square km. F^#K in HUGE.... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2014 at 7:06am
| Trying to stop china getting there hands on the goods aye, perhaps theres hope for man kind yet. |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2014 at 8:50am
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Smudge is right, this should be in a separate forum for fisheries anagement issues. It is all interesting, and nobody is arguing about the thread being of interest, but damn......there has been an unrelenting chain of such threads for the last few months, often several of them going at a tine, and they are such a relentlessly cheerless, dour, bleak grouping of posts it just drags the whole damn Briney bar down into the quagmire. Here's an idea....think happy thoughts! Everyone know tat song from South Pacific? "Happy thoughts, keep thinking happy thoughts...." Well, it was worth a shot. I REALLY like the idea of a separate forum for these threads, if only to raise the morale of the Briney bar. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2014 at 8:59am
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if your going to sling **** do it nicely without getting nasty and name calling I have better things to do than troll threads.... But do have to point out..once again u put words into peoples mouth and/ or interpret what u like onto what u read... Comms created the situation from the early 60s....policy continued the problem from the mid 90s not controlling the comms who then bent the rules to the extreme....and in recent times a hand full of criminal comms illegally adjust books fishing which would be enough to exceed rec fisher takes And u consider the citizens of this country have less right to the resource than big business.. at a point when rec fishers cant get daily quota on a regular basis... at best on very rare occasions and thats after Government change in regs only knocking rec fishers back? If one takes a couple steps back, and considers the resource objectively, then as per legistation rec fishing takes priory... take the time to read the 1st page of the legislation... Now consider what would be a fair bag a rec fisher should be able to take home and achieve on a regular basis .. I suggest u actually put a number forward here. Now consider the total inshore resource...and if there is even enough left for ANY comms quota.... I didnt write the legislation but thats what the legislation basically say how quota should be shared out. |
Posted By: Fishabunga
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2014 at 9:04am
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I think that it would be a good idea to have a seperate thread for fisheries management. Hopefully some where it is visible like under the db fishing reports thread. ------------- FISH FIGHT AOTEAROA THE PEOPLES PROTEST |
Posted By: letsgetem
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2014 at 9:45am
| I am not inclined to take part in this kind of thread. But, even though I don't like the aggressive argumentative stuff - I think it should be retained in the Briny Bar - because, its very important, and better than the other extreme (do and say nothing),; and no-one has to look at it if they don't like it. |
Posted By: Fishabunga
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2014 at 10:11am
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I think the biggest issue on these threads is the personal attacks on one another. The fisheries future is important but is not helpfull to have a go at each other. ------------- FISH FIGHT AOTEAROA THE PEOPLES PROTEST |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2014 at 11:20am
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the problem has been the weather. Unable to get out.when one does get out throw backs only.we cannot keep bagging comms as they are working as per legislation.in most cases inshore comms are not the quota holder so go and get what is required by the holder.
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Posted By: Latitude35south
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2014 at 3:30pm
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Money it's a crime Share it fairly but don't take a slice of my pie. |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2014 at 5:50pm
some are, but also some are about getting the facts right in the first place, ive learn't a hell of a lot since following and commenting on these treads. one of the biggest things to remember is its not always the guy you see doing the damage, its more likely he is just making a living and has to fish the way he is or go bust, we live and learn and i for one know now way more about the system and a lot of that was due to Tagits very informative posts which should be framed and store for all newbies and anyone else which would like to know more about how this Quota management works... but alas they have been totally lost deep inside some of these treads, but not for me i saved the best of them and store them on my Comp... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Godders
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2014 at 7:58pm
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Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Pay a man to fish and you will have no fish left. |
Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2014 at 9:25am
Second that V8-Coupe!  ------------- The gods do not subtract from the allotted span of men's lives the hours spent on fishing - Assyrian Proverb |