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Morning all.

I have my trailer off at the galvanisers getting a redip.
The bearing are only a few mo the old and in good condition so I will get new seals and clean and re pack the bearings.
I will give them a good scrub out with an old tooth brush and some petrol.
Then re pack them - question is, what the best marine wheel bearing grease?
I usually have some Sierra marine bearing grease on hand but thought with a pretty much as new trailer I would try and get the best grease and get a bit more out of them. Iv read on hear that there's a couple around people swear by.

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Are you just packing them or do you have the Bearing Buddies fitted?

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BigMike, if the bearings are only a few months old, you may be doing more harm than good, washing them out with petrol!
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Yes I run bearing buddies.

I plan on cleaning out the hubs/bearing - then re packing with new grease and re fitting my bearing buddies.

Snowkiwi - Should I not use petrol? just wipe clean or use different solvent? I planned on cleaning them in petrol, wiping them dry, re greasing then replacing and packing. Any tip would be appreciated.
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If they are reasonably new (and good quality) I wouldn't bother at this stage.

Easy enough to do later.
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Best grease..
Evinrude triple guard bearing grease.. the red stuff
The triple guard blue is for steering , motor etc.
 
Far superior to most other afte market greases..
Thru I dont know if other brands.. yamaha , merc etc also have specialist marine greases.

Make sure the seals are marine, submersible seals.. not std car seal.. espec used in conjunction with bearing buddies

As to washing re using...personally I would re place.... espec if Chinese made.. and if replace dont use Chinese..

But if budget was tight at the time.. would wash out with carb cleaner, or kero, rinse with meths and allow to dry.. dont leave long...re pack.
I would be checking the bearings frequently for rumble and play.

And rem bearing buddies need to be pumped up.. pressurised to work right

The issue with marine bearings/ axles, is the hubs warm up towing to the ramp.. then drop them into clod water.. they cool, the grease cavity has a low pressure vacuum, sucks water in. 
Pressurised B buddies and heavier marine seal in the back prevent this.

I just wonder how many of us have B buddies, but do not have the grease gun filled with quality marine specialised BEARING grease?
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I don't bother with buddies.  I just have submersible seals and allow time for the bearings to cool before launching.

Park in the ramp car park, buy my ticket and get everything ready for launching.  By which time the bearings have cooled and I crawl to the ramp and launch.
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Warm .. just warm, body warm a glass filled with water. Put a card over the top.. cool it to room temp.. surprising just how long that takes... and turn upside down.
 Works on a 20L bucket to
The low pressure created by only a few degrees is enough to hold the card and weight of the water in place
Never underestimate the the force of pressure...even very small differences.
You have quite a mass of stub axle, and a lot of that is insulated in a cavity with grease.. then there is the mass of the hub around it.
 It will cool down that fast????
 just warm up , just a stub axle on bench...and just see how long it actually takes to cool down.. uninsulated in a layer of grease..

Also consider the water temp.. not the air temp that you have not got down to of that either.
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Originally posted by Steps Steps wrote:


And rem bearing buddies need to be pumped up.. pressurised to work right


Very common misconception about bearing buddies - they have a spring on the "piston" that provides all the pressure you need, if you pump them up until the spring is completely compressed then add more grease all you do is push the seal and half your grease out the back.

Stops your stub axles rusting as much when they get coated in all the grease flying out the back of your bearing, though LOL
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Yes
 after a while the pressure eventually leaks out.. and thats why they have a grease nipple.. to re pump up with grease gun.

 They are a maintenance item (like most things with a grease nipple..
not a new bearings/ grease and forget item
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Originally posted by Steps Steps wrote:

Warm .. just warm, body warm a glass filled with water. Put a card over the top.. cool it to room temp.. surprising just how long that takes...


Water and glass are slow to dissipate/absorb heat.  Metals are very fast.

Based on doing a few roadside hub changes it doesn't seem to take long for a bearing to cool to ambient temp.

Anyhow, whatever I'm doing works.  I've never had issues with my buddy-less bearings.
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Originally posted by MikeAqua MikeAqua wrote:

Originally posted by Steps Steps wrote:

Warm .. just warm, body warm a glass filled with water. Put a card over the top.. cool it to room temp.. surprising just how long that takes...


Water and glass are slow to dissipate/absorb heat.  Metals are very fast.

Based on doing a few roadside hub changes it doesn't seem to take long for a bearing to cool to ambient temp.

Anyhow, whatever I'm doing works.  I've never had issues with my buddy-less bearings.
If not having problems doing something right - I imagine the kind of towing and way you launch would have a big effect - ie a long tow not 2 mins down road (30-40km plus on highway?) so bearings nice and warm, then charge up to ramp dunk in nice and deep....
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Yes, I suspect if you towed on the highway at 90km/h and then back straight into the drink you are asking for trouble.

Ramps tend to be long and  flat here because of our big tides.  I typically dunk the back bearings on the trailer but not the front.

On my longer tows (Nelson to Picton) I fuel up close to the ramp (why tow the extra weight) and then I'm driving at urban speeds until I stop and prepare to launch.

On my shorter tows (within Nelson), the bearings don't have time to get that hot and there is still the prepare to launch time for them to cool down
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Might I suggest that if your bearings are getting warm they're flooked. Unless it's dissipated heat from the brakes. 
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I tow for 3 hrs, havent felt a hot hub yet.
Just how hot do you expect a hub to get. Over packjng them causes heat.
In saying that, its rare for me to tow to a ramp and launch immediately, most of my fishing is at the beach, where i arrive, unpack, have feed , start the tractor and hook the boat up..its always stone cold.

Why the need for marine grease, when the grease dosent get wet. And if it does get wet, you are fooked anyway.
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We are not talking hot... warm.
Yes good bearing get warm.. in a surprisingly short distance.
Anyone actually towed then pulled a wheel off to feel outer hub.. or pull the cap feel the castle nut?
 No?

 Hot you have a brake/ bearing issue.

 When we launch, 30 min open road 70/ 90 kmh to ramp.
Swing around, line up approx 30/45 sec to remove tie downs, motor flag, lift motor off the travel support.. back down the ramp... Truck and trailer being parked up within 2 1/2 mins of getting to the ramp.
Bung done at trailer pre check before leaving home.
 Rods gear stowed , 1st packet bait and burly in pot.. all at home
 Rods/ traces, gear prepped at one of several spots not far from ramp.. you would be surprised where the 1st fish often gets landed.

Why the need for marine grease, when the grease dosent get wet. And if it does get wet, you are fooked anyway.

How many actually open up hubs on a regular basis to replace bearings at a WoT on boats?
How many actually check their bearing.. or know how to?.. or get regular 6 month WoFs.. dont do it any more cause everytime a bearing fails?
 Why do boat trailers, in particular tend to stuff bearings at very low mileage.. when those VERY SAME bearings (diff rear seals) will do a 100K miles (160km) on a car?

BB certainly increased the life on our bearings...then regular grease gun maintenance..(not exactly hard work, effort or time involved)...start lasting for yrs..  and still going.

To save maybe a few dollars on 10yr plus supply on cheap grease....the cost of BBs over decades, and very little effort to keep pumped up...and far shorter bear life.
 Really?
When was the last time you jacked up the wheels and checked or play and rumble?.. in the last 3 to 6 months? No?
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Originally posted by Steps Steps wrote:

 
 When we launch, 30 min open road 70/ 90 kmh to ramp.
Swing around, line up approx 30/45 sec to remove tie downs, motor flag, lift motor off the travel support.. back down the ramp... Truck and trailer being parked up within 2 1/2 mins of getting to the ramp.
Bung done at trailer pre check before leaving home.
 Rods gear stowed , 1st packet bait and burly in pot.. all at home
 Rods/ traces, gear prepped at one of several spots not far from ramp.. you would be surprised where the 1st fish often gets landed.

Generally we do 30minutes - 2 hours at 90kmph, then straight into the drink after tie downs are off. 
On the bigger trips wetsuits are needed to be slipped into at the ramp / beach.. 
They get put on but during winter usually at home because its easier and warmer especially at dawn

So during winter it is often 15-30 seconds before into the drink and have never had an issue. 

Like Steps said earlier, maintenance is pretty much key. Bearings are checked every 6months or so and repacked when required. 

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I used to carry a small grease gun in the boat. When I stopped after a long tow I would make sure that the BB springs were fully extended by adding (or not) the required amount of grease before I put the boat in the water. Takes just a minute to do if required and I never replaced another bearing after doing that. What I like about the BB's is that the spring is a visual indicator of where your grease level is at. If it goes down top it up and life stays simple.
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Damn did not realise still had a BB box with old caps in up on the top self in the shed...
 With the instructions.
 OK they NEED to be pumped up.. As Tagit explains visually above.. not rocket science "simple"
With a good seal in the rear.. proper heavy marine seals, they will hold pressure for a very long time.
BUT
If over pressure with grease gun, and grease comes out the rear, the chances are you have blown or damaged the rear seal.

And if have disc brakes, chances are you have also put grease on the disc and into the pads...( not in instructions)

Also BBS have a pressure relief, if dont over pressurise, and rear seals good, the excess grease comes out the side of the BB.
  Also not in the instructions but noticed personally.
If you pressurise right up to valve 'over flows'.. wipe up ..excess, then head to the ramp.. you will notice because was at full pressure and the warming from the trip, you will have a little grease splattered on the wheel rim.

Amazing what one finds out by simply reading manufactures instructions.. how to and how work.
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Originally posted by Steps Steps wrote:

We are not talking hot... warm.
Yes good bearing get warm.. in a surprisingly short distance.
Anyone actually towed then pulled a wheel off to feel outer hub.. or pull the cap feel the castle nut?
 No?


As per earlier post: Yes. A couple of times on the road side with my old trailer (it had issues) when highway towing. 

They cool down fast to ambient temperature, by the time I got the jack out and pulled the hub, the bearings were always at air temperature, which where I go boating is 5 degrees either side of water temperature.


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