Best bearing grease
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Topic: Best bearing grease
Posted By: BigMike
Subject: Best bearing grease
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2017 at 8:06am
Morning all.
I have my trailer off at the galvanisers getting a redip. The bearing are only a few mo the old and in good condition so I will get new seals and clean and re pack the bearings. I will give them a good scrub out with an old tooth brush and some petrol. Then re pack them - question is, what the best marine wheel bearing grease? I usually have some Sierra marine bearing grease on hand but thought with a pretty much as new trailer I would try and get the best grease and get a bit more out of them. Iv read on hear that there's a couple around people swear by.
Cheers boys
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Posted By: Foxtrot Oscar
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2017 at 12:00pm
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Are you just packing them or do you have the Bearing Buddies fitted?
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Posted By: SNOWKIWI
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2017 at 12:21pm
BigMike, if the bearings are only a few months old, you may be doing more harm than good, washing them out with petrol!
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Posted By: BigMike
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2017 at 1:15pm
Yes I run bearing buddies.
I plan on cleaning out the hubs/bearing - then re packing with new grease and re fitting my bearing buddies.
Snowkiwi - Should I not use petrol? just wipe clean or use different solvent? I planned on cleaning them in petrol, wiping them dry, re greasing then replacing and packing. Any tip would be appreciated.
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Posted By: MikeAqua
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2017 at 1:55pm
If they are reasonably new (and good quality) I wouldn't bother at this stage.
Easy enough to do later.
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Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2017 at 9:21am
Best grease.. Evinrude triple guard bearing grease.. the red stuff The triple guard blue is for steering , motor etc. Far superior to most other afte market greases.. Thru I dont know if other brands.. yamaha , merc etc also have specialist marine greases.
Make sure the seals are marine, submersible seals.. not std car seal.. espec used in conjunction with bearing buddies
As to washing re using...personally I would re place.... espec if Chinese made.. and if replace dont use Chinese..
But if budget was tight at the time.. would wash out with carb cleaner, or kero, rinse with meths and allow to dry.. dont leave long...re pack. I would be checking the bearings frequently for rumble and play.
And rem bearing buddies need to be pumped up.. pressurised to work right
The issue with marine bearings/ axles, is the hubs warm up towing to the ramp.. then drop them into clod water.. they cool, the grease cavity has a low pressure vacuum, sucks water in. Pressurised B buddies and heavier marine seal in the back prevent this.
I just wonder how many of us have B buddies, but do not have the grease gun filled with quality marine specialised BEARING grease?
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Posted By: MikeAqua
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2017 at 10:23am
I don't bother with buddies. I just have submersible seals and allow time for the bearings to cool before launching.
Park in the ramp car park, buy my ticket and get everything ready for launching. By which time the bearings have cooled and I crawl to the ramp and launch.
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Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2017 at 11:09am
Warm .. just warm, body warm a glass filled with water. Put a card over the top.. cool it to room temp.. surprising just how long that takes... and turn upside down. Works on a 20L bucket to The low pressure created by only a few degrees is enough to hold the card and weight of the water in place Never underestimate the the force of pressure...even very small differences. You have quite a mass of stub axle, and a lot of that is insulated in a cavity with grease.. then there is the mass of the hub around it. It will cool down that fast???? just warm up , just a stub axle on bench...and just see how long it actually takes to cool down.. uninsulated in a layer of grease..
Also consider the water temp.. not the air temp that you have not got down to of that either.
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Posted By: OuttaHere
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2017 at 11:09am
Steps wrote:
And rem bearing buddies need to be pumped up.. pressurised to work right
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Very common misconception about bearing buddies - they have a spring on the "piston" that provides all the pressure you need, if you pump them up until the spring is completely compressed then add more grease all you do is push the seal and half your grease out the back.
Stops your stub axles rusting as much when they get coated in all the grease flying out the back of your bearing, though 
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Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2017 at 11:12am
Yes after a while the pressure eventually leaks out.. and thats why they have a grease nipple.. to re pump up with grease gun.
They are a maintenance item (like most things with a grease nipple.. not a new bearings/ grease and forget item
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Posted By: MikeAqua
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2017 at 11:41am
Steps wrote:
Warm .. just warm, body warm a glass filled with water. Put a card over the top.. cool it to room temp.. surprising just how long that takes...
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Water and glass are slow to dissipate/absorb heat. Metals are very fast.
Based on doing a few roadside hub changes it doesn't seem to take long for a bearing to cool to ambient temp.
Anyhow, whatever I'm doing works. I've never had issues with my buddy-less bearings.
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Posted By: MacSkipper
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2017 at 12:13pm
MikeAqua wrote:
Steps wrote:
Warm .. just warm, body warm a glass filled with water. Put a card over the top.. cool it to room temp.. surprising just how long that takes...
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Water and glass are slow to dissipate/absorb heat. Metals are very fast.
Based on doing a few roadside hub changes it doesn't seem to take long for a bearing to cool to ambient temp.
Anyhow, whatever I'm doing works. I've never had issues with my buddy-less bearings.
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If not having problems doing something right - I imagine the kind of towing and way you launch would have a big effect - ie a long tow not 2 mins down road (30-40km plus on highway?) so bearings nice and warm, then charge up to ramp dunk in nice and deep....
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Posted By: MikeAqua
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2017 at 1:16pm
Yes, I suspect if you towed on the highway at 90km/h and then back straight into the drink you are asking for trouble.
Ramps tend to be long and flat here because of our big tides. I typically dunk the back bearings on the trailer but not the front.
On my longer tows (Nelson to Picton) I fuel up close to the ramp (why tow the extra weight) and then I'm driving at urban speeds until I stop and prepare to launch.
On my shorter tows (within Nelson), the bearings don't have time to get that hot and there is still the prepare to launch time for them to cool down
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Posted By: krow
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2017 at 7:31pm
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Might I suggest that if your bearings are getting warm they're flooked. Unless it's dissipated heat from the brakes.
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Posted By: Big -Dave
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2017 at 7:46pm
I tow for 3 hrs, havent felt a hot hub yet. Just how hot do you expect a hub to get. Over packjng them causes heat. In saying that, its rare for me to tow to a ramp and launch immediately, most of my fishing is at the beach, where i arrive, unpack, have feed , start the tractor and hook the boat up..its always stone cold.
Why the need for marine grease, when the grease dosent get wet. And if it does get wet, you are fooked anyway.
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Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2017 at 7:50am
We are not talking hot... warm. Yes good bearing get warm.. in a surprisingly short distance. Anyone actually towed then pulled a wheel off to feel outer hub.. or pull the cap feel the castle nut? No?
Hot you have a brake/ bearing issue.
When we launch, 30 min open road 70/ 90 kmh to ramp. Swing around, line up approx 30/45 sec to remove tie downs, motor flag, lift motor off the travel support.. back down the ramp... Truck and trailer being parked up within 2 1/2 mins of getting to the ramp. Bung done at trailer pre check before leaving home. Rods gear stowed , 1st packet bait and burly in pot.. all at home Rods/ traces, gear prepped at one of several spots not far from ramp.. you would be surprised where the 1st fish often gets landed.
Why the need for marine grease, when the grease dosent get wet. And if it does get wet, you are fooked anyway.
How many actually open up hubs on a regular basis to replace bearings at a WoT on boats? How many actually check their bearing.. or know how to?.. or get regular 6 month WoFs.. dont do it any more cause everytime a bearing fails? Why do boat trailers, in particular tend to stuff bearings at very low mileage.. when those VERY SAME bearings (diff rear seals) will do a 100K miles (160km) on a car?
BB certainly increased the life on our bearings...then regular grease gun maintenance..(not exactly hard work, effort or time involved)...start lasting for yrs.. and still going.
To save maybe a few dollars on 10yr plus supply on cheap grease....the cost of BBs over decades, and very little effort to keep pumped up...and far shorter bear life. Really? When was the last time you jacked up the wheels and checked or play and rumble?.. in the last 3 to 6 months? No?
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Posted By: JustAnotherSpearo
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2017 at 9:08am
Steps wrote:
When we launch, 30 min open road 70/ 90 kmh to ramp. Swing around, line up approx 30/45 sec to remove tie downs, motor flag, lift motor off the travel support.. back down the ramp... Truck and trailer being parked up within 2 1/2 mins of getting to the ramp. Bung done at trailer pre check before leaving home. Rods gear stowed , 1st packet bait and burly in pot.. all at home Rods/ traces, gear prepped at one of several spots not far from ramp.. you would be surprised where the 1st fish often gets landed.
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Generally we do 30minutes - 2 hours at 90kmph, then straight into the drink after tie downs are off. On the bigger trips wetsuits are needed to be slipped into at the ramp / beach.. They get put on but during winter usually at home because its easier and warmer especially at dawn
So during winter it is often 15-30 seconds before into the drink and have never had an issue.
Like Steps said earlier, maintenance is pretty much key. Bearings are checked every 6months or so and repacked when required.
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Posted By: Tagit
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2017 at 9:31am
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I used to carry a small grease gun in the boat. When I stopped after a long tow I would make sure that the BB springs were fully extended by adding (or not) the required amount of grease before I put the boat in the water. Takes just a minute to do if required and I never replaced another bearing after doing that. What I like about the BB's is that the spring is a visual indicator of where your grease level is at. If it goes down top it up and life stays simple.
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Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2017 at 10:23am
Damn did not realise still had a BB box with old caps in up on the top self in the shed... With the instructions. OK they NEED to be pumped up.. As Tagit explains visually above.. not rocket science "simple" With a good seal in the rear.. proper heavy marine seals, they will hold pressure for a very long time. BUT If over pressure with grease gun, and grease comes out the rear, the chances are you have blown or damaged the rear seal.
And if have disc brakes, chances are you have also put grease on the disc and into the pads...( not in instructions)
Also BBS have a pressure relief, if dont over pressurise, and rear seals good, the excess grease comes out the side of the BB. Also not in the instructions but noticed personally. If you pressurise right up to valve 'over flows'.. wipe up ..excess, then head to the ramp.. you will notice because was at full pressure and the warming from the trip, you will have a little grease splattered on the wheel rim.
Amazing what one finds out by simply reading manufactures instructions.. how to and how work.
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Posted By: MikeAqua
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2017 at 11:39am
Steps wrote:
We are not talking hot... warm. Yes good bearing get warm.. in a surprisingly short distance. Anyone actually towed then pulled a wheel off to feel outer hub.. or pull the cap feel the castle nut? No?
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As per earlier post: Yes. A couple of times on the road side with my old trailer (it had issues) when highway towing.
They cool down fast to ambient temperature, by the time I got the jack out and pulled the hub, the bearings were always at air temperature, which where I go boating is 5 degrees either side of water temperature.
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Posted By: BigMike
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2017 at 1:33pm
Some good reading boys, thanks. Only 1 recommendation for grease though.
I have done some trawling through the site and Moreys Red-I seems to have some pretty good reviews from guys in here. Steps the Evenrude triple sounds good but a bit harder to get it seems.
Couple of people suggested I didn't re grease my bearings - My trailer is getting regalved, hopefully it will come back looking new, my hubs are covered in heavy surface rust (I say heavy surface because there is no pitting or flaking, just heavy surface rust) So I plan on hitting the hubs with a wire brush on the grinder and then painting with zinc paint. After doing that, I think it will be a good idea to clean out hubs and bearings, re grease, then re assemble.
The bearings in there are Japanese ones, less than 1 year old and in good condition, I have no idea what grease is on them though.
After reading advice here, I will wipe as clean as poss, do my cleaning up of hubs, repack with Moreys Red-I and re install on the axle when I get it back.
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Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2017 at 5:20pm
Steps the Evenrude triple sounds good but a bit harder to get it seems. Kev and Ians in Manurewa
The bearings in there are Japanese ones Jap Korean, USA Aussie all good REPLACE THE SEALS and split pin, preferably stainless .. maybe same size split pin as your prop.
So I plan on hitting the hubs with a wire brush on the grinder and then painting with zinc paint.
Get most of the loose stuff off hit with phosphoric acid rust kil.. they will go black. Then best would be couple coats 100ml at most.. POR 15.. if dont like the colour bit industrial hammer light paint. Caution when painting hubs/ drums...where the wheel bolts up and contacts the hub/ drum,, do not builds up paint etc. It doesnt take much at the centre, couple 1/1000" at the centre throws the outside of square quite considerably
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Posted By: krow
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2017 at 8:11pm
x2 RED I
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Posted By: veitnamcam
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2017 at 8:46pm
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I do a lot of hub stub replacements/axle replacements. Concerning bearing faliure most common causes are.
1 Insuficient grease at assembly (some garages think a smear on the bearing is enough.it is not. Bearing should be packed and the cavity between both bearings in the hub packed full to the stub or bearing grease is thrown into this area as soon as the trailer does 80kph)
2 Incorect bearing preload with either way too loose or way to tight being almost the norm as average Joe thinks he can set up a timken taper.
A properly packed hub and bearings set up properly should last years almost regardless of use.
Bearing buddys are good, and they dont need to be pumped so full that they puke grease but they DO need to be occasionally pumped up so that there is some spring pressure on the grease at all times. Maxing out your bearing buddys is bad and will unnecessarily wear your seals for no net gain.
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Posted By: Tonyg26
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2017 at 7:30am
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Just my 2 cents, We supply Rocol Aqua Sapphire grease into the aquaculture industry and use under saltwater in some cases. Not Cheap but since changing out my wheelbearings to this grease I have not had any issues, Its Synthetic so wont carbonise like mineral based greases. Packing your bearings correctly is half the battle anyway. Probably wouldnt recommend using petrol, think you'll do more harm than good.
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Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2017 at 10:47am
No matter what you do, a trailer , or vehicle that is only used occasionally will have shorter bearing life... and is rumble.. not play. 40/ 50 yrs ago most parked up trailers, caravans, boats, not in regular towing use would be jacked up with weight taken off the bearings... (and usually with a sack over the tyres to protect from the sun)
Think about it.. you have a very heavy weight, sitting on small points where the ball bearings meet the casing...that one hell of a lot of mechanical weight loaded into VERY small areas... An accelerated example of this was in the usa, in 60s, when transporting cars by rail freight across great distances, then early bearing failure after sale of the new vechlce. The rail wagons suspension was very hard.. the continual clack clack bumps over rail joins stuffed the bearings..they then changed to road transport with far better suspension.
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Posted By: SNOWKIWI
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2017 at 11:02am
As Tonyg26 has iterated, Rocol Aqua Sapphire grease, is very good stuff. I use it in carwashes, where gearboxes and brushes are exposed to water 24/7. A friend has used it in his boat trailer wheel bearings, with bearing buddies fitted, for at least the last 10 years that I know of, the same bearings are to my knowledge, still in use.
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Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2017 at 3:25pm
Evinrude RED triple guard specialist marine BEARING grease is, excellent. As I also said , I dont know what other brands are good.. or if Yamaha, merc etc also have specialist marine BEARING grease.. And as others .. like Tony recommends other brands are also very good specialist greases. And yes even thu they are a little cheaper, doesnt mean they are inferior. WQe all know the moment evinrude, merc and other top brands put their name on the label, price goes up considerably.. JUST DONT GO USING a cheap alternative non red ' marine grease.. be it bearings , or non bearing applications. These products eventually turn into a heavy clay like crap.
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Posted By: Big -Dave
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2017 at 5:58pm
I think if you use a good quality bearing grease, and give it a few pumps occasionally, you will be ok. Dont wait until warrant time to jack it up and give the wheels a spin, particularly after sitting, a small amount of moisture can mark the bearing, and that is the beginning of the end. I have neverbeen loyal to any brand, just picked a good name brand with appropriate ratings, ie wheel bearing grease suitable for use with disc brakes. I can not recall the last time i replaced a bearing on any of my trailers. I have noted a small amount of moisture at times under the bearing buddy, tge o ring on the piston is the culprit i think..
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Posted By: mattyroo
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2017 at 11:42am
Steps wrote:
Warm .. just warm, body warm a glass filled with water. Put a card over the top.. cool it to room temp.. surprising just how long that takes... and turn upside down.
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Whoa! The Specific Heat of Water and Steel are very different. Cast Iron, which most brakes are made from, and Steel, which the axles, bearings etc. are made from, have approximately 1/9th the SH of Water.
If you know the mass of your components and the temperature that they are, it is easy to calculate the energy required to bring them back to ambient temperature.
There should be very little heat build up in a properly lubricated system. Heat, in this instance, is a product of friction, which is mainly coming from brakes, but at the same time there is a large convective heat loss happening with the forced air flow over the system whilst driving.
If you have an unbraked system and your bearings, axles etc. are getting anything over 45degC, then I would suggest you have a problem. Dropping anything into water at this temperature is very unlikely to draw any water in, unless you have faulty seals.
The variables with a braked system change greatly, but on most trailer boats, I would be surprised if a properly lubricated and sealed system is getting much over 55degC.
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Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2017 at 4:58pm
Warm .. just warm,
body warm a glass filled with water. Put a card over the top.. cool it
to room temp.. surprising just how long that takes... and turn upside
down.
Whoa! The Specific Heat of Water and Steel are very different.
It illustrates just how much such a SMALL PRESSURE HAS A HUGE EFFECT.. obviously NOT heat dissipation / transfer issue
Also it is easy to calculate the energy required to (lower) ambient temperature. No.. 'cold' strictly speaking doesnt exist.. heat does.. heat energy transfer to lower temp areas...therefore to "calc the amount of energy, IF possible in this case would, end up with -ve energy number
are getting anything over 45degC, Lets use some real life numbers here.. hubs say 43 deg.. thats pretty warm verging on hotwater .. a hot spa pool is about 40 deg, comfortable 38 deg, most people very hot shower 40.. to put in perspective. And compare to the original Glass of warm water...
And drop into water early spring Auckland harbour looking at 13.5 to 14.3 deg
Thats a difference of a good 33 degs!!!!! The vacuum.. or more accurately external pressure, exerted is substantial to say the least.. far more than the glass od water ilustration
And it is this reason heavier seals + bearing buddies that pressurise the internal hub area are now and have been for so long, are accepted practise world wide where hubs vehicles get submerged.... including specialist pressure systems in off road diffs etc
I would be surprised if a properly lubricated and sealed system is getting much over 55degC.
That is hot to the touch.. get that hot, your grease is starting to break down... you DO HAVE A PROBLEM..
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Posted By: mattyroo
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2017 at 7:30am
Steps wrote:
Also it is easy to calculate the energy required to (lower) ambient temperature. No.. 'cold' strictly speaking doesnt exist.. heat does.. heat energy transfer to lower temp areas...therefore to "calc the amount of energy, IF possible in this case would, end up with -ve energy number
That is hot to the touch.. get that hot, your grease is starting to break down... you DO HAVE A PROBLEM..
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I'll repeat; it is easy to calculate the amount of energy required to lower a component to ambient temperature. Yes, cold does not exist, but it is a simple heat transfer equation (kJ = (SH*M*Td). The big variable is time to lower the component, based on the heat transfer method.
I don't know what grease you're using, but anything that is breaking down at 55degC wants throwing in the bin. The Rocol grease mentioned a couple of times here is good to 150degC. In fact, the lubrication properties won't be that great until the grease is warmed slightly and freely flowing, to enable full lubrication.
My boat, ~6T on trailer, with 4 x 13" disc brakes can easy get 55degC at the wheels going over some hills. Using bearing buddies, top notch grease and quality seals, I have had no problem.
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Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2017 at 8:03am
I think you missed the point
Using bearing buddies, top notch grease and quality seals, I have had no problem. Is that not what everything in this thread is about, and the fact that bearing buddies by design eliminate the vacuum formed from the problem of warm / hot ( whatever) hubs being dropped into cold water at the ramp?
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