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Anyone tried? It worked awesome overseas, but not sure where you can buy live worms here in NZ...probably have to dig up your own.
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to get worms in NZ, you can either go to a cow/steer farm and turn over hard/dry cow/steer paddy's which are poo they have dropped, under these you will find a heap of worms...
or you can do as they do in England and force a garden fork into the ground and bump it with the palm of your hand for 5/8mins and the worms will literally jump out of the ground...
another is to use a T tree shampoo for dogs and pour it onto the lawn like this...


i cant say ive used them for fishing so if your keen and do collect some then let us know how you get on....



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try Cornwall park. Lots of cow pats there. Never tried but worms should be good for flounder in the shallow bays in the muddy.
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A 10% solution of bleach poured onto the lawn will send worms up real quick.Problem is its not good for the lawn or worms in the long term.
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Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

Have tried, have failed. Great for eels Big smile
 
Aye...looks like NZ fishing is completely different to overseas fishing! In HK we use [mostly] "red sea worms" (they look like earthworms with millions of soft legs on the sides) and "green worms" (smaller, greenish-red looking worms) as live bait.
 
Since they originally live in water (under the sand) and have the ability to move even when chopped in half, they are considered very, very good bait.
 
In HK we catch various snapper species with them!! It's so easily with worm baits but they are costly as anything.
 
Whereas in NZ looks like the most popular bait is still the good old squid and pilliesOuch
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Originally posted by Lethal Lethal wrote:

to get worms in NZ, you can either go to a cow/steer farm and turn over hard/dry cow/steer paddy's which are poo they have dropped, under these you will find a heap of worms...
or you can do as they do in England and force a garden fork into the ground and bump it with the palm of your hand for 5/8mins and the worms will literally jump out of the ground...
another is to use a T tree shampoo for dogs and pour it onto the lawn like this...


i cant say ive used them for fishing so if your keen and do collect some then let us know how you get on....



Thanks for the advice Lethal. What i mean is the natural seabed worms though...not the earth worms you find in the garden...
 
I remember from some websites it says our local Snappers do eat sea worms, they dig them up from the sand and gobble them up. In HK we used to have this digging company which digs up all the local seabed worms and retail them for serious fishos. Works like deadly magic.
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The more natural the bait, the better the bait.
 
Think about it...back in the old days fishes like to gather around bays and estauries under where the big tree trunks and scrubs are, picking on the insects that fall off from the branches e.g. beetles, worms, maggots, wood lices...etc.
 
Speaking of wood lice (slaters), I tried that here. They work fine.
 
Natural bait, can't go wrong? :o
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ycha223. where in H.K did you fish.? Have spent time in Tong Fuk village on Lantau. Along the coast from silvermine bay towards Tai o. Never seen a fish there. Instead huge clams buried in the sand at low tide. Great on the BBQ. And fresh tree ripened lychees for the picking in summer. There are always big old wooden trawlers that have big poles out the side-going up and down the coast all day.
what they catch i dont know.Cant imagine there would be anything left out there.
IMO great part of the world. Never seen so many tropical butterflies as there in Lantau. Amazing sight and so many varieties.,even though they fly so fast in the intense heat.

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Hi cirrus, i can assure you that there are still an abundance of fish in hk. it's just you needed the exact right gear and know the spots perfectly well. as hk is over-fished (both commercially and recreationally), fishes are smart and very easily spooked.


Try to go to the east side of hk island mate. i tried the west many times and all we can get (we're taking about the whole charter of fishos) are baby scads (they look like small yellowtails but tails not yellow).


But we're on the hk island, so we have good waters all around us. Landbased i like to go to the western Victoria harbour to get various types of grouper (they aren't big, tiny if a NZer see them, but 2 or 3 are good for a meal). i also like to try my luck on the south area, the isolated beaches, ship wrecks, rocky area, the more remote the better. occasional amberjacks and seabeams can be found there on turbulent waters. as to the east, we usually hire those traditional hk fishing boats. This summer, just outside shek O beach area me and my gf once caught a 2.5kg hk grouper (it was her first fish, worth $3000hkd), 1kg stonefish (it feels literally like lifting a stone), some good wrasses, snappers, small GTs and tons of chicken grunts!

But most of the time I'm lazy so i just walk down to the local wharf to fish for grey mulets at night. excellent fish they fight well on thin lines...hours of fun with gf fishing there plus i get to make all my fellow fishos (who are all men) jealous

Having experienced fishing in two jurisdictions I realised that there are much less species of fish in nz, but our fish are much larger and easier to catch than the ones you would get in hk.
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OK sea worms should work well, no idea how to get them though!
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Originally posted by ycha223 ycha223 wrote:

Anyone tried? It worked awesome overseas, but not sure where you can buy live worms here in NZ...probably have to dig up your own.


Go ask at your local garden centre, surely they must have a source for things like worm farms, etc.
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Are you talking about sand worms? yes they work and you can find heaps on the edges of beches. and you look for patches or mass of holes at dead low tide. and they bite btw :) google sand worms in australia 

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I used blood worms in Aussie a lot.

I always bought mine from a local tackle shop but you can buy what they call "yabbie pumps" over there and just look for the worm holes at low tide then suck em' up with your yabbie pump.

The pumps just looked like an over sized push bike pump,,but different.

I've always thought the local worms would work well here,but so does Mullet an Skippie an Squid an yellow tail an Kahawai an tua tua an pipis an mussles an softbaits an jigs an you really gonna need a bigger truck mate,,,,,so I've never got around to trying them yet.

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Originally posted by Built_to_fish Built_to_fish wrote:

Are you talking about sand worms? yes they work and you can find heaps on the edges of beches. and you look for patches or mass of holes at dead low tide. and they bite btw :) google sand worms in australia 

Yep!!! Those are the ones!! Sand worms, blood worms, sea worms whatever you call it ....
They should work 200% as effective as our old squid/pillies that has been in the fridge for months.
 
Would be keen to try to get some!! In HK the local fishing and tackle shops they breed them in a glass tank (sand + sea water + fluorescent lights + oxygen pumps). This breeding site works well along with shrimps (which are also sold as live bait), as the shrimps occupy the top layer (on top of the sand) whilst the worms dig into the sand).
 
Both excellent live baits, we tend to use the sand worms for littorial fish species and shrimps for deeper water fish.
 
Wondering if we can even establish our own worm + shrimp farm in NZ and sell them as live bait? Might need resource consent on that I guess...
 
 
And PS. Yes they bite....painfully if they are large Dead
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Originally posted by Scooter Scooter wrote:

I've always thought the local worms would work well here,but so does Mullet an Skippie an Squid an yellow tail an Kahawai an tua tua an pipis an mussles an softbaits an jigs an you really gonna need a bigger truck mate,,,,,so I've never got around to trying them yet.

Yea Scooter you are right. I think anything natural and fresh would work well.... I've come to a conclusion that this is so. Think about it, as humans, we would also want to eat something that is natural (veges, meat, as we know that they are healthy) not processed foods. We'll also want it to be fresh because food tastes much much better if they are (with the odds that food may go off if they are not fresh). So are fishes Wink
 
 
I think a live-bait shop business in NZ will flourish, the rest of the world are doing it, I don't understand why NZ isn't. If people are worried about conservative aspect of capturing our live baits then protective mechanisms can always be put in place to control it - i.e. only capture x amount of worms per day, release under-sized ones, breed your own with the ones you caught...and the list goes on.
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