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Usually I use smaller spinners around the 300gm-400gm and know If you use a heavy reel it makes it a bit harder to sb with so was wondering what would be the max weight of a reel you would use for sbs of what is the ideal weight for sbing in around the gulf?
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For general soft baiting just stick to a 2500 or 3000 size reel. Thats all you need. I do run a 4000 size reel for heavy duty use and chucking the odd popper around, but it's over kill for most soft baiting in NZ.
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Like Potty said 2500 often enough. However I do like the 4000 just for if we are fishing deep, or like Potty said for a popper or if you want to chuck a straylining rig on. If you can have a few more bust offs and not have to put new braid on as often. I have a 2500 2 4000 and a baitcaster. If i was to limit it to 1 I would rather a 4000 than the 2500.
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To add to that. A 5000 size reel like the stradic 5000FJ is still easily able to use it as a softbaiting reel just adds a bit more weight than the 4000
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For me the questions are:
 
1.  How much drag do I want?
 
2.  How much line do I want?
 
In each case, not much for me, because I'm usually <40m depth. 
 
2kg drag, occasionally a bit more; 100m to 150yd braid topshotted over mono so as to fill the spool.
 
I have been taken well into the backing by big snapper hooked in the wash, but have always had plenty to spare, so 2500/STX-20 size is plenty for me.
 
Chasing kingis = more of both, but that having been said my biggest SB kingi at 23kg off the yak was on a Curado 200.  Burnt out the drag but didn't run me out of line.  You get towed around a lot on a kayak, so inshore I don't worry too much about excess line capacity.
 
I do have a 4000 size reel on the launch, but it sure feels unweildy to me these days.
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To say buy a 2500 reel because they are lighter not always the case. My example I have a twinpower 2500 and a ci4 Stradic 4000. The twinpower weighs 215g where the stradic only weighs 264g. Then i have the twinpower on a tcurve and the stradic on a veritas. So I can't tell any weight difference between them.  
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Oops - weight - sorry, misunderstood the question.
 
Balance means a lot to me, and OHs are harder to get balanced on a set than spin reels, I think. 
 
I don't mind too much about relative weight with spin reels - the size and distance from reel handle to reel seat matters more for me, and the less the better.
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3000-3500 all day although saying that I still love the confidence my Twinpower 4000 gives me when used in anger.
 
I snuck a peek at these and they seem to be getting good wraps overseas and from the Aussie boys, not sure when they will hit our shores or price .
 
 
 
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Yeah I was thinking of o/h for sbs but seems the spinners are the go and easier to balance he weight Vs o/h.
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Originally posted by uncleping_88 uncleping_88 wrote:

Yeah I was thinking of o/h for sbs but seems the spinners are the go and easier to balance he weight Vs o/h.


spin they are easier to cast. However I believe oh are heaps better than spin just because you can keep it in free spool and when you fish oh you notice how many bites you miss when using a spin reel. I always have both on the boat but use the oh more. Oh are pretty well balanced (well my curado 200 is) just the casting is the problem I am still trying to deal with
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Originally posted by uncleping_88 uncleping_88 wrote:

Yeah I was thinking of o/h for sbs but seems the spinners are the go and easier to balance he weight Vs o/h.
 
I'm inviting disagreement (eg those friends on here who point to so many successful SB fishers who use only spin reels), but my experience has led me to use almost always baitcaster o/hs.  I have some good spinning reels, but they very seldom get used these days - mainly for tuition of others being introduced to SB fishing.
 
I think the baitcasters give you much better balanced set-ups, they are much easier for catching fish on the drop, as noted above, and I believe are much more accurate for casting than spin reels (I reckon my accuracy at 40-50m is about +/-  a metre with my spin reels, +/- a foot with my baitcasters on the same rod blank).  They're also easier to manage a little extra drag with use of a thumb compared with palming a spin reel.
 
Conventional wisdom in the magazines and on TV is spin for wash fishing, o/h for deeper water.   IMHO, bollix.  I use baitcasters everywhere.
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Haven't tried o/h reels, big fan of spin reels.
PJay are o/h reels less affected by the wind when casting?
To me it's all about balance in the set-up, that is matching the right size reel to rod, using the most suitable braid  for the reel, fluro the right size in relation to the braid and jig head size that is appropriate for the whole set-up.
 Here's a question for you - which of these set-ups casts the longest & most accurate into the wind.
A - 8 to 10 kg rod matched with 1 oz jig head, 20 pd braid & 30 pd fluro. (6 inch gulp)
B - 4 to 6 kg rod, 1/2 oz jig head, 12 pd braid & 25 pd fluro. (5 inch gulp)
C - 2 to 4 kg rod (15 cm longer than standard), 1/6 th oz jig head, 4 pd braid & 10 pd fluro. (3 inch gulp)
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o/h rocks, can well outcast my twinpower 4000 with my quantum, it outcasts surf casters, once you find a nice braid, spiderwire works well for me,
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Originally posted by Potty Potty wrote:

Haven't tried o/h reels, big fan of spin reels.
PJay are o/h reels less affected by the wind when casting?
To me it's all about balance in the set-up, that is matching the right size reel to rod, using the most suitable braid  for the reel, fluro the right size in relation to the braid and jig head size that is appropriate for the whole set-up.
 Here's a question for you - which of these set-ups casts the longest & most accurate into the wind.
A - 8 to 10 kg rod matched with 1 oz jig head, 20 pd braid & 30 pd fluro. (6 inch gulp)
B - 4 to 6 kg rod, 1/2 oz jig head, 12 pd braid & 25 pd fluro. (5 inch gulp)
C - 2 to 4 kg rod (15 cm longer than standard), 1/6 th oz jig head, 4 pd braid & 10 pd fluro. (3 inch gulp)
 
Typical lawyer's answer: it all depends...
 
eg jerkshads cast differently from paddle tails cast differently from grubs.
 
I personally think that the reels cast differently full stop - I basically flick the rod with a light spin reel, but need a winding-up type cast, in comparison, with an o/h.
 
But if I do a big winding-up type cast with a spin reel, I can cast further into the wind with it than with a similar capacity baitcaster.
 
Just not as accurately.
 
Generally, in the weights you've quoted, I can cast further with the heavier weight, regardless of the line, or the reel - but it depends on the SB that's on it, too.
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Think it is more the angler than the gear how far it can be cast. I cant get my oh more than 5m, yet give it to someone else I am sure they would get further but not as good with a spin. Buy both and see what your better at :p
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The liteweight set-up (2 -4 kg) casts the furtherest & most accurate. The extra length in the rod helps a lot with this, but also having the braid & fluro in balance (fluro is a top trout fishing brand / very strong & fine) improves casting considerably. Knot size is a lot smaller on this set-up, so flows through the guides better. Smaller diameter line suffers less in the wind.
 Worst set-up for casting - the heavy duty set-up.
 All 3 different set-ups have different size reels (2500, 3000, 4000). Bare minimum mono on spool & top shot with as much braid as will fit. (ends up with very similar amounts on each reel)
 After using the heavy set-up for a hour, going back to the lighter set-ups is bliss!
The 10 pd fluro I'm using is way superior to the 15 pd black magic I previously used. Have also changed to Dual 25 pd fluro (very impressed with this, takes a lot more punishment & ties a stronger knot than other brands I've tried).
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Now we're diverging on to line weights: yes, I agree that lighter lines tend to be easier to handle, but I much prefer "true" braids to fused, so I'm pretty much limited to 10lb as my minimum (but it suits me, anyway). 
 
The fused lines (eg Fireline) on spin reels seem to be easier for people to learn to cast with, but in my experience they fluff up and lose strength quite quickly on baitcasters.  Stephen Tapp has an idea that's because of the radical angle changes when casting (the levelwind shuttle usually doesn't go to and fro during the cast on the little baitcasters), and I wouldn't disagree.
 
Longer rods tend to cast better, regardless of the "newest, brightest and best" hype from every rod assembler when they come out with a new shorter model.  Funny how so often the Mk II version then ends up longer.
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in my opinion lighter is better. I use a pflueger patriarch 9530 and its 176gms of pure fun. Can hold it all day without getting tired. Because the reel is so light the whole set up is so much more sensitive. Even 30cm snaps are fun to catch. Big fish are insane on this set up. The biggest I would go is 2500 size personally. The only need for a bigger real is more line capacity. But these can hold 300m of braid so why go bigger?
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