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Looking at setting up a wash system for trailer have an idea in my head but interested to know if any one else has done something to their trailer.
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I originally put irrigation hoses thru the chassis, The idea was just connect the hose and have it spray put inside.
Worked ok, not fantasic, but ok.
Then got a petrol water blaster...  far faster  and more effective.... Soap up and go for it.
Do the whole boat.. clears do from a distance, fine on carpets bilges , even upholstery.
I think what helps even more is simple maintenance after the boat has more or less drip dried... Marine CRC  or lanolin based aerosols.. quick spray around wheel nuts, rollers, electrics, winch etc .. and include boat stuff.
Steering, trim, bimini domes ...
And every 4 or 5 trips, a liberal spray around the trailer with fisholene...including inside rails  wheel hubs etc.

I think there is more to keeping a trailer long lasting than just wash down....and the 'extra' is only minutes by the time one picks up a aerosol can walks around few squirts and put back on the shelf.
More "working hard at being lazy" sort of thing
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Originally posted by Steps Steps wrote:

I originally put irrigation hoses thru the chassis, The idea was just connect the hose and have it spray put inside.
Worked ok, not fantasic, but ok.
Then got a petrol water blaster...  far faster  and more effective.... Soap up and go for it.
Do the whole boat.. clears do from a distance, fine on carpets bilges , even upholstery.
I think what helps even more is simple maintenance after the boat has more or less drip dried... Marine CRC  or lanolin based aerosols.. quick spray around wheel nuts, rollers, electrics, winch etc .. and include boat stuff.
Steering, trim, bimini domes ...
And every 4 or 5 trips, a liberal spray around the trailer with fisholene...including inside rails  wheel hubs etc.

I think there is more to keeping a trailer long lasting than just wash down....and the 'extra' is only minutes by the time one picks up a aerosol can walks around few squirts and put back on the shelf.
More "working hard at being lazy" sort of thing
My only concern is water blaster spray getting where it shouldn't and detergent washing out lube, but point taken about washing salt away - it sounds like you go around afterwards and lubricate anyway?  I guess you avoid spraying hard at lights, instruments throttle assy etc?
I do similar but with a good mains pressure hose with adjustable spray pattern and wash around springs and wheels etc.  I played around with tubing and sprinklers under trailer but prefer a hand directed spray with a good adjustable spray head.  Ditto lanoline or similar on trailer parts every few months and treat surface rust before WOF inspection.
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Tzer I used to use one of those saltaway units, they were ideal because you could quickly spray the trailer straight after launching the boat. The negative was they didn't last that long.
 
The ideal would be a permanent 20 litre unit mounted on the front of trailer with a plug in coil hose. Quick and easy to use.
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Thanks guys, I am pretty fussy when it comes to keeping boat & trailer clean but just looking at a more easier (lazy) way of dealing with trailer, brakes as well as underneath of hull.
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If you really want to get serious and you do a lot of beach launches...block up trailor ends with rags and fill with waste oil on a decline. Paint outside of trailor also then drive down a dusty road until thoroughly coated...then pull out rags and drain...works a treat but trailor looks ****e....But no more rinsing-Winning
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Originally posted by Tzer Tzer wrote:

Thanks guys, I am pretty fussy when it comes to keeping boat & trailer clean but just looking at a more easier (lazy) way of dealing with trailer, brakes as well as underneath of hull.

Craig silly suggestion but also a lazy one, do you have any fresh water rivers/lakes where you can drop the trailer in the water for a few minutes. A mate in rotorua does this on the way home after an outing from whakatane drops it in a lake, job done...
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Originally posted by Catchelot Catchelot wrote:

Originally posted by Tzer Tzer wrote:

Thanks guys, I am pretty fussy when it comes to keeping boat & trailer clean but just looking at a more easier (lazy) way of dealing with trailer, brakes as well as underneath of hull.

Craig silly suggestion but also a lazy one, do you have any fresh water rivers/lakes where you can drop the trailer in the water for a few minutes. A mate in rotorua does this on the way home after an outing from whakatane drops it in a lake, job done...


Short answer Al is no. I forgot to mention that although the trailer is alloy but i still like the idea of having some sort of wash down. As fisherman we all tend to over look the care of the trailer until its to late.

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Originally posted by Snapfish Snapfish wrote:

If you really want to get serious and you do a lot of beach launches...block up trailor ends with rags and fill with waste oil on a decline. Paint outside of trailor also then drive down a dusty road until thoroughly coated...then pull out rags and drain...works a treat but trailor looks ****e....But no more rinsing-Winning
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I was just thinking along those lines, when I read this post. An old mate of mine swore by welding a plate on both ends of the rectangular/square hollow section, drilling & tapping a hole in one end for a plug, then filling with "waste oil" putting a threaded plug in the hole, adds a bit of weight, but you only have to worry about the outside of the chassis then!!!
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My only concern is water blaster spray getting where it shouldn't and detergent washing out lube, but point taken about washing salt away - it sounds like you go around afterwards and lubricate anyway?

When using a 3000lb water blaster one uses some common sence .. I dont use saltaway... but foam up with CT18 detergent.
Yes I grease motor , steering etc every 2 or 3rd trip out, plus basic stuff above.. basically cause its easier to give things a light spray than fix a bloody broken wheel stud on the side of the road cause its corroded up if have a puncture


dealing with trailer, brakes as well as underneath of hull.

Is yours ally or glass?.... If glass a 10% soln of straight rust kill (phosphoric acid)  in water... moisten a rag and wipe on... moisten not wet... phosphoric acid... any acid and galv/ zinc, magnesuim, ally dont mix well
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does the fisholene get dirt struck to it?. If I remember where I used it on my car doors many years ago it would become a tacky mess instead of r hole I must admit 
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Fisholene costs money and stinks and waste oil free stinks a bit less but keeps salt water off...bonus...if not worried bout aesthetics but function its def a good option...anyways fishing on west coast of aks off the chain at mo snaps to 10 lb and heaps of em and minimal sharks at 35m...chur
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The major damage is done when the trailer is parked after launching, setting up a system where you can quickly spray the trailer with saltaway would be the best.
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Craig silly suggestion but also a lazy one, do you have any fresh water rivers/lakes where you can drop the trailer in the water for a few minutes. A mate in rotorua does this on the way home after an outing from whakatane drops it in a lake, job done...
 
 
I would be careful doing this. Its hard on the bearings and hubs. Ok if you can change them or do your own bearings I spose. Problem is that the trailer hubs are really hot when they are dropped into the fresh water and they will inevitably suck some water in as they instantly cool.
 
Good way of washing the inside of the box sections though.
 
 
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does the fisholene get dirt struck to it?. If I remember where I used it on my car doors many years ago it would become a tacky mess instead of r hole I must admit

Many years ago.. The modern fisholene has de natured fish oil.. doesnt smell and a lot of the colour gone. I have used it for 40 over yrs, and made it when it was batched in NZ... pre non flammable days.
I have experimented with different treatments over the last 5 yrs as surface rust appears... rust kill, quality zinc epoxy etc.
The best to date is the above plus a regular light coat of fisholene....and where that fails, clean back to good steel, POR 15... quality epoxy galv, and occasional fisholene.

Fisholene costs money.. cheaper than repairs or new trailer and a can will last a good hitting those suspetable spots.

After the trailer has dropped off the boat, the water evaporates, leaving salt deposits.. the salt its self is not a problem.. it is when it is wet electrolysis take place....damp in high humidity weather....So get rid of the salts when home is essential...and to get those salt deposits off surfaces and in nicks and crannies, box sections is the secret.
Even with products like salt away, spray on soak, rinse off , I would still get a little fine salt deposits on boat surface.....hit with good blast of  fresh water, nothing .....

Problem is that the trailer hubs are really hot when they are dropped into the fresh water and they will inevitably suck some water in as they instantly cool.

Correct, which is why boat trailers have double seals in the rear and 'buddies' that maintain positive pressure in the hubs IF maintained and used correctly... how many actually re pump the buddies with a grease gun with a QUALITY marine BEARING grease on a regular basis?

As to filling channels with oil... yep that 'idea ' has been around for decades, and more... in the last 1/2 century I have only heard of ppl doing but never actually seen or know someone who has a trailer like that....
Back in the day, spraying the tractors, farm vehicles with a mixture of waste oil and a little turps (thins enough to enable to spray it.. wonder how I know that) was common....but drop a trailer in at a ramp and watch the oil slick spread out, and mess up the hulls of other boats around, let alone the environmental damage...

If one uses a hand pump up sprayer, puts the nozzle on the end off a stick with a reasonable hard wall tube so can extend down the insides of channels and regular spray fisholene... would be the way to go...
or on a brand new trailer or very well washed, do the same with POR 15 3 good coats.

I think alloy trailers are a 'different kettle of fish' rather than rust....stress and cracking due to the nature of the alloy, espec at welds and alloys used.

Brakes, keel rollers, wheel nuts, winches, winch bearings, electical connectors, hitches , back side of hubs etc...wash off well, spray  marine crc/ lanoline or similar  and DO NOT leave the hand brake on... and ideally if leaving parked up for winter... chock up so weight off the tyres... old school .. one used to see caravans chocked up.. espec with old cross ply tyres ...but also bearings last far longer if not left loaded in the same place.
A set of the same identical  bearings (eg classic HQ holden/ classic chevy) in a car will last out a good 50,000 miles....a loaded trailer parked up a lot, couple yrs at most and very low mileage. And Korean / Aussie or USA made bearings.. NOT chinese.. and carefull with USA packed bearings...often they are packed in the USA, box made in the US but bearing stamped made in china.
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Edge01 "I would be careful doing this. Its hard on the bearings and hubs. Ok if you can change them or do your own bearings I spose. Problem is that the trailer hubs are really hot when they are dropped into the fresh water and they will inevitably suck some water in as they instantly cool."
 
Isn't this what happens every time you put the boat in the water anyway, as your bearings heat up getting to the boat ramp then you back it straight down into the saltwater and they suck saltwater in if you do not have enough grease in the bearings, hence the reason why bearing buddies were developed in the first place to stop this happening.
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I'm mystified as to why your hubs are heating up that much.
In my experience properly lubed bearings don't get that hot.
Maybe if the hubs on your trailer are that hot the brakes are dragging?
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Next time you go to the ramp, reach inbehind the hub and feel the warmth of the bearing housing....
No they should not be hot, but they do warm up.

Now take a MT  bottle, a smallish water bottle, drop it in a bowl of water sealed about the temp u feel your hubs are...
When air inside is wamed, close the bottle, put upside down in a bowl about 15 deg (thats about the sea temp now)
Then open the top (face down)... if possible about the same depth as your lowest hub in the water at the ramp.
This is all bucket chemistry, but its still very surprising just how much water will be sucked in....
Marine/ water rear seals are heavier than std  Grease seals and designed to work with buddies.
Buddies are spring loaded....the hub warms up and any expansion is taken up by the spring. Drop in cold water, temp drops, pressure drops...spring lets volume drop.

The marine rear seal holds this pressure build up, other wise buddies dont work...  Std  seals the buddies will just blow grease out around your hub in the inside....not hold pressure, then drop cold water, they take a big breath...of water.
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Originally posted by widerange widerange wrote:

I'm mystified as to why your hubs are heating up that much.
In my experience properly lubed bearings don't get that hot.
Maybe if the hubs on your trailer are that hot the brakes are dragging?
 
Have you ever felt how hot your hubs are when you stop at the ramp??
 
They are reasonably warm, enough to turn the grease inside them into liquid anyway.  don't forget that they do cool slightly while you are getting the cover off the boat, undoing straps, engine, bungs, waiting to launch etc etc, as opposed to just backing her straight in to a fresh water source without any delay.
 
Like I say its only fresh water so its not as bad as salt. Even with double seals the water will still get in. Bearing buddys are a great invention alrite. I give mine a couple of pumps of grease every 5 trips or so. Had the same bearings in my trailer for 5 years so must be doing something right
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