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    Posted: 24 Apr 2004 at 9:53pm
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can i ask what does the trace line do? how i use this? how long it should be?  does it attach from the main line straight to the sinker?

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I dont usually use a trace in most cases. Unless you are fishing an area you expect to hook up to big fish generally your main line doubled will do the job for you. If you really feel you need a mainline use 60pd hard or supple trace joined directly to your doubled mainline.....no swivels means less snags off the rocks !
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oh yeah, length should be based upon distance from your knot touching your top guide to your hook being a length comfortable for casting....generally i find about 1/2 a metre to be sweet.

 

you dont want your knots running through your guides as you cast  - this creates drag

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nsane....always use a trace 40-50lb is ample from the rocks, you never know when a decent fish is gonna grab your bait...
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does a trace line differ from a shockleader? and is it also trace line I would be using for my rigs?
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nsane. A trace is there as an extra to the main line. It is almost always heavier than the main line, like Mr Pillie says about 50 pound or so is good for bigger fish.

If you were fishing a 6 kg main line with a hook tied directly to the main line and you hooked a big snapper, chances are the fish will bite through or wear the 6kg line with its gill plates or on rocks and stuff before you got it to the boat.

As you are obviously just starting out it is best to keep to a simple rig such as a sinker sliding on your main line, with the main line tied to a swivel. you then use a trace of about 50lb about half a metre long with your hook tied to the end.

Oh yeah, learn to tie knots even heavy line breaks or slips easily with a poorly tied knot.

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gee you guys must catch some big fish

snapps up to 17pd have not gotten through a doubled mainline

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Was thinking further about this and you guys do make a good point...

i spose is better to be safe than sorry

what knot do you guys use to tie your main to your trace if your not using a swivel ? - - I hate swivels off the rocks...less to get caught up the better

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There isn't just one solution. I change my rig depending on where I'm fishing. I use a doubler-only when fishing on sand or where there are no snags.

I go to a heavier trace when fishing around rocks or places where there are likely to be really big fish. I tie the trace straight to the doubler, no swivels.

I was recently shown the "lethal"knot by bushpig and its a beauty - used to use two uni knots but lethals is a much slimmer knot. There is a description of it somewhere.

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I use 2 uniknots. I dont get too many big fish but all it takes is for a fis to swallow a hook and light line can be snipped off real easy. I dont use doubles if its snaggy.

I have seen a dandy knot for tying on a leader, but I forgot how to tie it within about 10 minutes.....  all I can remember is it had an overhand knot tied as a stopper on the heavier line.

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nsane,

I always use a shock leader of about 30 lb as I tend use 15 to 24 lb main line and it will snap off during a good cast from the beach with 4 oz sinker on it. I use 60 lb on my hook trace. A well trimmed double uninot between your shock leader and main line won't cause you too much drama as long as you have reasonable size tip rings on ya rod. I tie it on to my main line and then wind on the line until I have about 12 wraps on my reel this gives enough line to trim a few line sections on each outing before having to change the shockleader. The fish I usually catch don't really need such heavy line but the day you do get that wall mounter you don't want your line or trace to be found wanting.

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thanks, tobias..  so it would be main line + shock leader + trace line.  got it..  i normally use a 20lb main line and a 50 lb trace line.  Do i need to replace the trace line I use to have tie the shockleader in place?

randy, seen your section on nz fishing.. its great

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tobias..a tip, best to always change your shock leader knot each time, its the same story with the trace line, ive seen many fish lost beacuse of operator laziness, im guilty as well....no point learning the hard way aye?
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Greetings Fishos! I have loaded 600m of 6kg mainline onto my Tiwa reel.  This is joined to my 'shock lead' by means of what I call a "Double Blood Knot". The length of the 'shock lead' should be one and a half times the length of your rod. My 'Shock is 20kg as I cast using a 5oz torpedo wire sinker. Just a tip when casting.... the length of shock lead hanging from your tip at the moment of cast should be about one third the length of your rod. Cast from your feet first, through your hips to your torso and finally your arms and wrist.  Stop the cast just above your head or 11oclock and as the rod straightens let the lead go. Good luck and great fishing.
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I use a trace around 1 metre long for general fishing. Trace weight depends on area fished... 40lb for sandy bottoms and 60 - 80lb when rock fishing. For rock fishing I usually use a 1.5 metre trace just for that extra protection.

For livebaiting I use trace between 80 - 130lb

I tend to only use a swivel when livebaiting, as this gives me something to tie the balloon onto... The excellent little knot that lethal showed me does the trick and means there's one less thing to get snagged.
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thanks guys... just started fishing and never caught anything yet..    be going out surfcasting at south head at the end of triggs road on sunday.  hope i got the right rig/trace/hools.  tips could be helpful..
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nsane,as a suggestion,use a running rig which is very easy to put together,....onto your mainline,slide on a 4-6oz sinker,bullet shaped or whatever the shape you have chosen,now onto the end of the mainline,tie a swivel of the right breaking strain strength to match the mainlines breaking strain,and this will keep the sinker on the mainline and separate from your  short mono trace and 5-8/0 hook, which is tied onto the other end of the swivel.i use a uniknot for all my ones.now by doing this, a fish(read big snapper!!) can pick up your bait and move off,without the weight of the sinker,to hinder and alarm it, providing your line has the right  drag setting,so the line can be easily pulled from the reel by him..the baitrunner reels are tops!!.well thats what i call a running rig,anyway. cheers and good luck.,Jim
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Point taken little pillie ..... I should retie my leader each time I fish. Just sometimes when your heading out after work and you only have an hour of light I think ...... " bugger it, I'm sure that knot will hold" However if i got into the habit of taking it off after each session then I'd have to retie it .... mental note to self

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Nsane should ask one of you guys who knows ya surfcasting to come along for trip...best way to learn is from ppl in the know.....unfortunately I know I know nothing so am of no help
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Nsane,by the way,what weight line and brand did you end up buying?,just being a tad nosy,and curious. Jim

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