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    Posted: 19 Jan 2021 at 8:34pm
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Not sure if this is the correct place to post this but anyhow.

So my transducer is having problems reading the bottom during & after coming off the plane. What happens is during the time planing it loses the depth reading (dark band across the top showing 1.0m for example) which I know can happen when your belting along but then when I stop it can sometimes take 1.5-2.0 minutes to read the bottom and give me a proper sonar picture. Once the sonar image returns it doesn't happen again until I'm belting along again.

Lowrance have suggested isolating the transducer cable and fitting a ferrite bead. (The cable is bunched with the other cables so this is on the to do list) Their other suggestion was increasing ping speed.

1. Does anyone have any more tips?
2. Which spec ferrite bead do I fit?
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Someone else had issues and I had issues from a beach launch.Was working perfectly well till then.Once home and by chance noticed the transducer had tilted up a bit,tilted back down to where I thought was right and now works.Added a speed paddle to it and thought it was interference but no just angle of transducer and it wasnt up much either .
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Hi, check your transducer angle as suggested and also depth. Photos would help. Side on and end on. You should have good readings even when planning. Set your depth manually to 10m or so deeper than you are when you come off the plane, this will help it find bottom much quicker. Then change back to auto.

Does you MFD have the latest software version for it?
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Initially I had it a little flatter and about 2mm higher at the bracket but picture had a lot of noise however still gave me a bottom reading when planing.
I don’t believe the current position is to radical but then I’m no expert. (Scuppers are always up when at sea & yes I have the latest software)




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I had some problems with a similar type of transducer on a Raymarine Axiom, a couple of mm can make a huge difference, just from looking at your photos, I would think down a couple of mm will do the trick.

Also level the transducer with the hull, yours is pointing down on quite an angle.

Another tip, do one thing at a time, then test it out, otherwise you are never sure what fixed the problem.

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I had a lot issues reading on our old 70s hull, that when made sounders wher not in the relms of the ave person.
 In the end I had to drop, as suggested in other posts, the transducer a few mm deeper than the manufactures  and other experts instructions.
 I ended up still maintaining a slight angle... the angle between the join at the front to the bottom at the back of the transducer.

Then caused another issue, mist spray going over, and being dragged into the engine. This is very bad for the engine, slow death.
So using a 5L plastic container I cut a template that is held in place behind the transducer mounts. 8 or 9 yrs on never got around to making a stainless or alloy one.



Side note: that rope /bungy on the ground is for solo launching.
 I actually use it for all launching now.
One end goes on the winch pillar, other on the front bollard.
Boat slides off, bungy starts to stretch  as boat drops off the end roller, and stops just before meeting the end of the white rope. Boat then floats back and its on the end roller of the trailer.
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Originally posted by feeder feeder wrote:

I had some problems with a similar type of transducer on a Raymarine Axiom, a couple of mm can make a huge difference, just from looking at your photos, I would think down a couple of mm will do the trick.

Also level the transducer with the hull, yours is pointing down on quite an angle.

Another tip, do one thing at a time, then test it out, otherwise you are never sure what fixed the problem.

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I have had a close look at it today using straight edges etc.
I've now lowered it which puts the seam exactly in line with the hull at the front and the rear of the t/ducer is 3mm down at the rear end of it. It is now exactly as per Lowrance's installation guide. Cross Fingers. Will report back after next trip which should be Friday 22nd.
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That should work. Make sure that you use the seam on the left edge (looking forward) of the transducer, not the centre of the transducer. Mine didn't work until I dropped it down to use the left front seam edge. I had used the seam at the centre of transducer previously.
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Update: It seems the system loses the bottom registration over about 17knts.
Here’s an image of what it looks like when it happens and I’ve slowed up. You can’t quite see it but the depth reading is .5m

If I manually select range I can see the bottom but the reading on the left is incorrect.


I’m lost?????????????
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Losing the bottom at 17 knots means you are close to the sweet spot, mine was losing the bottom at similar speeds, another couple of mm down should do the trick, am going out to the coast today, will take a pic of the adjustment marks to show how little it takes.

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As posts above say and  finally setup is right on the lowrance instruction manual.Thumbs Up
  Which I do suspect is more for American lakes and streams (???)
So as suggested above same angle, but 1 or 2mm lower for salt water with bit more surface chop.

But watch for a bit of very fine water spray coming up around the engine.

If that doesnt work.. or do so anyway.. reset to factory default settings with advanced options available to play with later.
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Sorry, never got to the coast today, next weekend am going for the long weekend so will take pic then.

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Do a re set anyway..Wink
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Will drop it down another 2 mm and see what happens next time I’m out which should be this week. At the moment I’m set exactly as Lowrance suggest. I’m guessing that as I go faster the boat is rising more out of the water so hence the need to lower it.
Be back in touch soon. Thanks for all the tips.
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Here is the pic of my adjustments, each is about 2mm.

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Sent a bunch of photos through to Lowrance tech support who suggested lowering it. They also mentioned that these longer T/Shot transducers are very position sensitive but that they don’t have inherent faults so that was good to know.
Just waiting for weather to clear up here.
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Can anybody comment on this idea of having the transducer level with the water while planing. I’ve seen videos of people using a spirit level on the gunwale while planing and stacking the the back edge to get a level line which they then transpose to the t/ducer. To me that would suggest the rear of the transducer would be higher than the front????
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I would imagine that will work very poorly. Every time my readings have deteriorated it has been due to the rear of the ducer raising. Happy to be wrong though. 

With the rear down slightly any bubbles roll up and around the ducer, rather than along it.
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Lowered trans, no change.
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(The cable is bunched with the other cables so this is on the to do list)

 Modern transducer cables are no where as sensitive as on 'old days' Even so the manuals do say run separate and good practice is run up the opposite side of the boat to the main loom..

My main loom is high up under my gunnels. May transducer cable runs hanging a few inches below on long cable ties that hang from the main cable loom with smaller ties top and bottom of the large cable tie loop.
 I did not do it because of best practice or anything.. did it because bit lazy and what manual says about routing. It was easier to hang than put the new transducer cable in the old loom. or tie up to it.
 Its a long shot as what you are getting is not so much electrical interference but lack of signal on the screen... but could also be due to more interference from the high rpms created ed by the engine.

Often things like this can be a combo of issues.
Another thought.. is the head unit up on the dash in full sun behind the windscreen..? On days like that I throw a rag over the back of the head unit.

Before posting this just been back up to look at your pics..
 Couple things on those original pics
1/ how close you are to the outside chine. A lot of air is picked up at the bow and travels down the underside of the chine.
2/ The rear view.. the inside (motor side) of the  transducer is far too high.. That inside edge, where the moulding join between the top and bottom of the transducer needs to be at least or lower than the straight edge off the bottom of the hull.

So I would be looking at dropping till the top edge of the transducer on the engine side is at the straight edge or the hull.. or few mm lower..
 Then look at raising to sweet point  rather than lowering.
 
Either way the mist kicked up from the transducer is not good for the engine and may get wet backs at the helm as it is sucked back into the boat.
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