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I reckon if you sell the baits rigged only use top quality hooks and rings or dont bother at all.
doesnt matter how many fish you hook if none come to the boat.. eg the factory split rings on some expensive jigs we all like.   
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That is the issue I have with the yozuri surface bulls, the split rings and trebles the lures come with are just too light, in the tropics on the GTs I have had the hooks straightened and the split rings pulled open so many times I always re-rig them with decent ones of both before using them.
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Why not do a 50/50 split so that you can judge your market that way Chris?
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Originally posted by Seth Seth wrote:

Why not do a 50/50 split so that you can judge your market that way Chris?
 
I'm with Seth, if its possbile and not too costly to have some packaged rigged and some packaged unrigged then its the best of both worlds.
 
Otherwise, as others have suggested have them rigged, but rigged with decent quality hooks and rings.
 
 
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Originally posted by laidbackdood laidbackdood wrote:

Originally posted by Aaron32987 Aaron32987 wrote:

As a relative newbie to stickbait casting, being land based as well and not having that many shots per trip at a good kingie, should I be worried that the hooks / split rings on the $50 Yo Zuri stickbaits not being up to the task of landing a good King?

All this talk of replacing the factory ones has got me worried now!

Oh, and from my point of view rigged would be all I would buy for now unless the shop could rig it for me on the spot as I've got no hooks/ split rings / pliers etc. Be willing to pay for the upgraded rings/hooks though.


My 2 cents worth=Lot of it is relative to how much force you put on them via drag...I have found going hard out on the drag when popping not such a great idea...can often result in pulling the lure out of some soft tissues in the kings mouth(unless engulfed)....Off the bricks you probably using 15 kg tackle and one third for drag...so you probably would go between 5 to 10 kg tops....more like 5 to 8 kg....I caught plenty of kings at great barrier off the bricks and always took it easy....some kings didnt fight at all! which was a suprise. Depends on the size kings you expect to hook at your sight too.Should be ok with whats already there.
Thanks for that, mate. I'm using 80lb braid on stella 20K, so will definitely back the drag off on that!
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Just dont lock that stella up broLOLBut the adrenaline rush is awesome!
My spheros has 20 kg of drag but i will never use it....It should enjoy life at 10 -12 kg.
I reckon set your drag reasonable in the first place and a little tweak as it takes off and then leave it alone! Not a fan of messing around with drag during the fight...if you crank it up,they get really pissed!
if you are lucky enough to get near the landing stage...ease the drag off a bit when it goes horizontal and gives up and try to keep its head out of the water(on an angle) and dont let it get it back...then it can thrash about with its tail and expell the last of its tantrum..Cant go anywhere without its head.Thats what i have always done anyway.enjoy the rush while it lasts as you could get spanked!
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Have you decided what you are going to do Chris?
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yeah...nah.  I can be persuaded to go either way kinda AC/DC.
 
I hear what all you guys are saying but I am only getting replies from experienced, expert  guys who would normally replace the hardware on any lure.  The expert market is quite small when compared to the novice market.  I want our lures to suit both markets and the only way is to sell them with hardware.  Question is what quality can I get and at what additioanl price?
 
The big problem is getting decent trebles and rings (Owner or Gamakatsu) if available without a price blowout.  I am also considering another hook which we could retro-fit ourselves.  I hate double handling lures at NZ minimum wage.  End result could be lures with good hardware, lures with reasonable disposable hardware or lures without hardware.
 
I might go the way of retro-fitting with good hooks and also offering lures without them and seeing what the preferences are.  A little early to know just yet.
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well...sure plenty of us on here will buy the nude version...so there is part of your predicament sorted.
Just need to recommend a suitable treble size/split ring  for the lure to work well.
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My 2 cents, sell them pre rigged with hooks/split rings to suit the price point. Most newbies don't own split ring pliers etc, the more experienced are likely to strip them anyway and replace the split rings and hooks with their own preference. In my case I take off the trebles regardless of brand and replace with single inline hooks.
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Originally posted by dirtyharry dirtyharry wrote:

My 2 cents, sell them pre rigged with hooks/split rings to suit the price point. Most newbies don't own split ring pliers etc, the more experienced are likely to strip them anyway and replace the split rings and hooks with their own preference. In my case I take off the trebles regardless of brand and replace with single inline hooks.
 
this is exactly my way of thinking. 
 
Just checking out availability of hooks, have the strong split rings already. 
 
give it death!
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Nudy or AC/DC
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will decided in another week.
give it death!
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Few of the top brands have what they are balanced and recogmended rigging on pack
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Chris..I have used the gamakatsu 16 heavy duty trebles and found them better than owners..They have a similar finish to the tuned gammies...with your links to them...would have thought you could utilize them.Wink
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