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    Posted: 17 Mar 2016 at 10:44am
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Hi guys.
I know this topic has been covered a lot, but I still have some douts...
I know how to spool the reel correctly, but the thing is, I'm getting a lighter set, so I want to spool a PE4 braid, and my questions are: What kind of nylon measure for baking should I use?? 0.45mm?? And how many meters would be recomendable??

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Why not use straight braid?

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Straight braid mate with the insulation tape around the spool arbour to grip to
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Yep as above F the backing straight braid
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Even if I put it under 10kg of drag, straight braid??
I'm affraid it might slip...
Never tryed the tape, but might be a good ideia!!!
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It wont slip mate. Tape around the arbour, wrap the braid aroun 3 times then a uni knot and she's G2G
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You dont need backing as long as you wrap the spool with either insulation tape as others have mentioned or what I use is a thin (same thickness as insulation tape) double sided tape. I tie a loop in the end of the line and loop it around the spool back over on itself so when pressure is added it tightens against itself. It doesn't matter hoe much drag you use. It does not slip.
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I never use tape, but always back. If you use backing it only needs to be enough to wrap around the spool and hold under tension. 10metres is plenty if under tension. It doesn't need to be as strong as the braid, so roughly the same diameter will do. If you ever get down that far you are hosed with or without the backing. 

Do whatever you have confidence in and holds for you. 
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Backing best, hands down unless you have a braid ready spool.Tape if you want, but the 25yards of braid you get over the mono is too little too late and just a little bit lazy. You just lost the battle and had no buffing factor.
The backing is not just about filling your deep spool or even not slipping on the spool (because that can happen fully spooled without as we all know). However as you get nearer the centre of the spool the drag harshens of course and without the dampening affect of the mono "cushion" you are more prone to sudden shock breakage.
As mentioned above, once you see the mono it's probably the chip shop for dinner, you could back with 5lb mono under 30lb braid, in fact that probably is more logical than going heavy however the ideal would be similar line thickness rather than strengths.
 
Hey, these are all just opinions and none are right unless they make logic for you.
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Sorry, just reread your quiz and the 10kg drag jumped out.
 
At what point does a fish lip or mouth lining rip? Hooks break every now and then too (think 1 million hooks with 1% failure). If they take all that line at 1/3 drag they deserve to swim on...
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Heres a link to everything you need to know.....



Half way down the page you can read this

" Experience has clearly shown that putting on several layers of mono, Dacron or duct tape are totally unnecessary. This practice is not recommended to solve a problem that does not even exist.  Braided line grips the spool much like tread on a tire grips the road better than a smooth one with an infinitely small contact area"


 
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Ummm, that really didn't bust a myth, because it is quite a reality, and many guys send reels to get the drags upgraded as a result. Usually from misdiagnosis.
 
Spectra is a brand, and their solution is not the rule of the medium being used. I really think our man here was looking for life experience rather than Mr Google, he had that option already. What is described there is a spooling technique, and not one that everyone can even comprehend. Words make sense to some and pictures to others etc. but those tightly laid lines of .20mm line can be quite hard to achieve in our dingy little man caves and no spooling machine to hold tension where our 3rd hand misses the call.
 
I would suggest the bloke who wrote it has a wealth of knowledge about braid, wonder how well he fishes?
 
 
 
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One of the reasons I back all my reels regardless of size is that I prefer the mono to lie against the metal. Traps less water so less chance of corrosion getting through the spool surface. 

The other is it is sometimes cheaper. 

The last reason is to avoid slippage. People I trust tell me good knots on braid ready spools work, but I can tie a mono arbour knot and a bimini bristol joining combo in 5 minutes. I only need to do it once per spool.
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Slippage will only occur if you dont spool with enough tension...
  Braid, be it  a component of Spectra or Dyneema is made with ultra high molecular weight polyethylene,  is a thermo plastic that has an extremely low moisture absorbtion rate.
This quote "Monofilament is not advisable for deepwater fishing, since it can absorb water" is from here......



I take this to mean that Mono also absorbs water at a  similar rate to Braid

 
Corrosion will still occur with Mono, you only need to look at some game fishing reels to see this, and is better remedied with a smear of Vaseline or Cannuba wax.

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