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    Posted: 17 Oct 2008 at 11:24am
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Now i know this topic has been thrashed out before but i am still going to drag it back up.

I just got back from a trip to Aussie and it is clear over there that spinning reels are more popular for jigging than overheads, Japanese anglers seem to favour spinning but still use overheads quite a bit, the guys from Taiwan favour the overheads.
Here in New Zealand Overheads are a clear winner in the popularity stakes.
This is not really a quetion as to which is better, i am more wondering how has it come about that overheads have become more popular than spinners here in NZ.
Also over in Sydney the retailers i talked to informed me Saltigas were a clear favorite over Stellas, but that is the opposite here.
Is it just different marketing or could it be the telly coverige that some brands get.
Like i say not interested in a debate on which is better, more interested in how the trends have come about.
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Ginga I too have pondered why this is so and have come to the conclusion that this site along with the dvd on heavy metal has been a major contributor to why the overheads are so popular here in NZ.
Its about role models and seeing the pictures of guys out there doing the business in lots of Photos Guys like Jimi have had a big impact on what newbies look for in jigging gear. On the other hand guys using spin reel like Nirai  have been a lot less open with posting pictures of thier sucess.
This builds attitude and new guys tend to follow what they see works.
In my own case I brought 2 identical sets both powerspell 400,s one for a overhead reel and one for a Stella 20,000 that I already had.
After trialing both I drifted toward the overheads as I struggled and still do to acheive a smooth MJ style with the stella. I have had great sucess with the Stella and a new Smiths rod using a false jigging style and that set will always come with me to the home of the big ones.
using overheads now I tend to go lighter and find the action much easier on my tired old body.

Just my thoughts and no not a clear answer as to why overheads are more popular in NZ

Perhaps one day you will take me out and show me the error of my ways and convert me to spin sets LOL


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Ginga,
I wonder if it has anything to do with spinners being more versitile,for example they have many different predators that they could target with poppers and jigs.
I am not sure what the evolution of overhead reels was like over there, but I do think that they have had far better options in regards to quality spinning reels-where as perhaps we have missed out on alot of the quality reels earlier on (and still).Confused
 
Or it could be they use them for surfcasting when they arnt jigging LOLLOL
 
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interesting for sure Ginga!

perhaps it might have something to do with the fact Aussies have been using spinning reels for the softbait  and hard body lure fishing when casting is key in the impoundments for a lot longer than we have, so maybe that has a bearing on what happens when the average Aussie walks in to a tackle store for a jigging set....better the devil ya know......also as has been stated a lot of the mags and TV shows over that side of the ditch seem to favour spinning reels.....monkey see monkey do.

and on the flip side of that "we" kiwis have been straylining for snapper for eons and the technique was always developed and promoted with overheads in mind......so again when moving to a new style of fishing like jigging overheads seem more natural to the average kiwi....and again the mags and TV shows promote overheads more often with successful angling - I realize the above is a bit of a wide sweeping analysis but that would be my take on it.

When I first started considering buying jigging gear - spinning reels never once entered my thought process and after trying a Stella8000 a few weeks back they probably never will.....just not comfortable using them.
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For me personally is just a control thing. I can simply control the drop better with an overhead.

Interestingly enough I prefer a spin set for SP's. but when doing that I am less concerned about the drop control and only want it to get to the bottom asap so I can start the retrieve.

I also think its easier to MJ with an over head than a spin, but that just IMO
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O/H through clever marketing J/M, & possible cost have taken large share of Jigging market in NZ.
Real Jiggers can jig both O/H and Spin, and a select few know spin is betterWink.
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Price may also have steered many onto overheads as the stellas and saltys are alot more expensive than Ojs and salty overheads, and quality spin rods more expensive than there overhead brothers. Eg Oj and jm rod approx 1400ish , stella and smith rod 2000ishQuestion
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All good points comng through and thanks for not turning it into a contest.

Interested to see this false jigging technique you are talking about there Boulder, we must organise a day out.
One of the reasons i wanted a spinner was to be able to cast further and with more control, many times there are schoools just below the surface and it is good to cast past them, let the jig sink and work it back thorugh them. The other reasons were to cast to Tuna schools, cube for Tuna and then to see if i can land a Marlin on one, versatility was my reason.
One thing i am finding a bit harder is getting used to the mechanical jigging technique, guess this comes from a few years of overhead jigging.
 
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Ginga, are the depths in Oz for jigging typically shallower than NZ's? Higher capacity on OHs allows you to target deep water fish like puka in NZ? For me, line capacity is the issue as I want to have the option to use the same OH reel for bottom fishing in Wellington. Was also influenced somewhat by ChrisW and the JM DVDs too.

It could also be that Auzzies are more unco and can't level wind an OH? LOLLOLLOL
 
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I choose a spinning reel for a couple of reasons.
 
Grew up without a boat so spent most of my early years surf casting with one so why not carry on with the same style of reel but slightly more stopping power.
 
I like the fact I cast jigs, poppers without a huge birds nest......
 
can set the drag up tight drop a jig into a reef system and no anchor required.
 
 
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Simplicity would be the first thing that springs to mind,ive used both,fished with guys like Mogi who also used both.
When Mechanical jigging with an overhead,the left hand sits either on the left hand side plate,or underneath the reel,its easier to push up,rather than say lift up as you would do when using an egg beater,one hand is winding,the other is holding the rod.
I find when im MJ ing,i also use the reel handle to also lift the rod at the same time as the left hand on the reel,kinda evens out the load,but thats just my style.
Even though im right handed and use my left hand on OH reels,i prefer to use my left hand to wind when using spinning reels,best of both worlds  i guess.
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Kiwi boats tend to have higher coamings at about 750mm above the deck, for giving good thigh support and this is more so for trailer boats and boats in survey, whereas most overseas vessels tend to have their coamings around knee height. There is nothing more gut wrenching for an angler or the poor sod that owns the boat than to have an egg beater in a gimble belt slammed into the coaming by a rampant fish. Hard on the gel-coat and hard on the bail arm, hence one reason i believe for the preference for overheads.
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I agree with you Niggly.  I use both spinning and OH, and own an yank made boat.  Havent done MJ on my own boat but I feel I'd be more comfortable on it when using the spinning gear than when on a charter boat.  The coamings are indeed higher on Kiwi boats.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Niggly Niggly wrote:

Kiwi boats tend to have higher coamings at about 750mm above the deck, for giving good thigh support and this is more so for trailer boats and boats in survey, whereas most overseas vessels tend to have their coamings around knee height. There is nothing more gut wrenching for an angler or the poor sod that owns the boat than to have an egg beater in a gimble belt slammed into the coaming by a rampant fish. Hard on the gel-coat and hard on the bail arm, hence one reason i believe for the preference for overheads.


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     What you say is correct but no excuse for poor Angling. I see many spin jiggers that are either to weak or lazy to to fight a fish from under there arm, as an angler you should be aware of line angle & changing circumstances, be prepared to get that rod out of the gimble and under your arm. Not only does this give you the ability to move around vessel during a fight but also a massive increase in lifting power if your strong enough? & if your not, do it any way, you soon will be.
         I learned this lesson the hard way breaking a good rod, not any more. Try to fight most Kings from under the arm for a portion of the fight. (On the plus side you will end up with a killer uppercutDead)
Get that rod under your arm you won't look back & wont break reel bail or a rodCry 

I have posted picture below good exampleThumbs%20Up, Not to sure who it is with Gingers Wei World if this rod had been in bucket would of ended nasty. IMO other hand should of been used for a little extra lift as close as that outfit is the the hard stuff. May just be timing of the photo hand look like its on its way to lift.
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Originally posted by Torcea Torcea wrote:

I'll bring the Cake mix and you bring the EggbeaterWink
 
I've heard about your cake Torcea.Wacko
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Originally posted by Pro Sport Pro Sport wrote:

Originally posted by Torcea Torcea wrote:

I'll bring the Cake mix and you bring the EggbeaterWink
 
I've heard about your cake Torcea.Wacko
BOLLOCKS thats the mother-inlaws cakeLOL
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Handrails,high or low or none,angler should be able to handle all situations
One thing is for sure,no handrail should be used for resting a loaded rod on.

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Originally posted by Jimi the Fish Jimi the Fish wrote:

Handrails,high or low or none,angler should be able to handle all situations
One thing is for sure,no handrail should be used for resting a loaded rod on.


Yes Jim
         Resting rods because there fishing to much drag! I don't give a toss about a rod that lifts 30KG you can only hang onto that weight with a harness and that caper is called Stand-Up!
Catching BFT at 25kg with full harness is numbing Exclamation Manhood doubting.
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