Smartwave SW3500 - First boat Advice

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Originally posted by whippersnappyr whippersnappyr wrote:

(remember that 15 knots is more than twice the wind force as 10 knots) and wave height up to 0.3m.


Wow, thanks for dropping that in. I had no idea about that and have just spent 30 minutes educating myself online about Newtons (measure of force) in relation to wind.

While it gave me nasty flashbacks to my inability at school to understand maths equations, I kept going and indeed worked out (I think) that at sea level the force of 10kts is 32.5N, and 15kts is 73N...so as you say, 2.24 x the force.

Fascinating, and good to keep in mind as a small boat owner.
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welcome. It’s interesting isn’t it and the math explains why 15 knots sure feels a lot more than 10👍🏼
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Power that can be extracted from wind goes as velocity cubed so you can see that things get a lot more dangerous at the higher wind speeds
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Originally posted by rusty360 rusty360 wrote:

Hey I've had both. The mac 360 was a great boat super stable etc but the sides are lower than the smart wave, and much much wetter!

The smartwave is much better layed out, small anchor well, the bin seating at the back, place for ya fuel tank, higher sides, better dryer ride, still super stable.

IMO the smartwave is the better boat, the only thing is buy one with the 20inch long shaft transom mine was only the 15inch and did used to get a wee bit of water over the back if you slowed down to fast

I'd own another one.






Originally posted by BigEarn BigEarn wrote:

Does any of you guys have experience with both the Mac360 and the SW3500 and is able to give a comparison between the two?
Got an old Mac with CC at the moment but have always been looking at the SW wondering if it would be an upgrade in any way.


I got a great deal on a short shaft hull then went to galloway and purchased a longshaft transom mount for $300 odd
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Originally posted by Quiltro Quiltro wrote:

Hey guys, thank you so much for your comments and advice in the process of finding my first dinghy. 

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Thanks for the advice on trying Ali boats and those little catamarans! 

You've got some excellent direct feedback from the likes of Spin King. Nothing better than first-hand long-term experience with particular hulls.

I'd recommend adding the FC390 ali to your 'have a look' list in that less than 4m size range. A couple of Forum regulars including FarQuirk (who posts in the Out with the Twelves thread) own and rate them. He regularly launches at Okahu and fishes around the islands, or tows further afield. Marco makes a 4m dory which looks well designed and worth comparing.

Great that you are doing sea trials - that's very worth the time and effort. Standing/sitting in a boat on the water feels completely different to on land, and it's the only way to get a feel for the boat's ride. 

As others have said, in sensible conditions you will have a lot of fun and good fishing in a small boat, and a good small boat will get you home if the weather turns with sensible skippering (and you've already done your course, good on you!).
 
Take your time (as you are obviously doing), choose what suits YOUR circumstances the best, and good luck. See you out there!
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Originally posted by spin king spin king wrote:

Originally posted by Catchelot Catchelot wrote:

Have you considered a 4m Fatcat?

A hell of a lot more room than a smartwave...





went and tested one out, couldn't believe how wet they were, have a purchased a 4200 now

Crikey that is surprising I thought they were reso dry and handled good chop?
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yeah so did i and I was really exited to test one out as I was tossing up between one of them and a 4200, the front sides of the fatcat are rounded so when heading into a slight chop the spray was coming straight back at me no matter where I sat on the boat or in the boat on the floor! I suggested that they might change the angle slightly to direct spray back into the water and got told thats just how small boats are and im always going to get wet.. I've done many many hours on my 3500 and never got wet at all unless I did something dumb
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but yeah do buy a 3500 and enjoy and learn boating in a very safe practice boat, then move up in size if you need to. here's me my wife our then 4 and 1 year old out on raglan harbor
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A plastic welder could fix the Fatcat spray issue. I had some HDPE plates welded to my boat to fit the dinghy wheels. Welding a strip down the sides would help a lot, if anyone reading this already has a boat like that and has this issue. 

OP, I'd go for the 4200 in an open boat if you can swing it, or a 4m pontoon. But if it has to be a 3.5m boat the SW is really hard to beat. 





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Originally posted by spin king spin king wrote:

but yeah do buy a 3500 and enjoy and learn boating in a very safe practice boat, then move up in size if you need to. here's me my wife our then 4 and 1 year old out on raglan harbor


Hey Spin King, thanks so much for your input. 

re the FATCAT's I am test driving it tomorrow actually. But after seeing some videos about (and also someone else commenting here) it seems that the boat despite being/looking extremely spadeful seems like a 'wet' ride. much so than many other dinghies? I wonder why they would add or extended those gunnels a bit? anyhow, will report back tomorrow after the fact. 

Also, thanks for sharing those photos, I could resist to sneak out through your instagram account, and it seems you've had a blast with that SW3500! however I was wondering about that other grey boat that shows up on some of your photos, is that the SW4200? or is it also a SW3500 e-Fish?


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Originally posted by OneWayTraffic OneWayTraffic wrote:

A plastic welder could fix the Fatcat spray issue. I had some HDPE plates welded to my boat to fit the dinghy wheels. Welding a strip down the sides would help a lot, if anyone reading this already has a boat like that and has this issue. 

OP, I'd go for the 4200 in an open boat if you can swing it, or a 4m pontoon. But if it has to be a 3.5m boat the SW is really hard to beat. 






I will take extra notes on the ride for the FATCAT, otherwise it does look like a great alternative to the Smartwave boats. 

I saw the SW4200 open boat at the marine the other week, and man it seems I could fit a whole party in that thing LOL, though the 4200 with center console also looks very nice, unlike the sw3500 with CC, which seems to use ALOT of real state in that boat. 

Funny you mention the pontoon's, cause Im also eyeing some of those on TM, but it seems that the manufacturers either don't have a fully working website to check out, or what, but yeah a RIB with its lighter weight, might allow me to go over the 4m mark without having to change my car also. 

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You should look at the quintrex buster 420 great boat for the money there’s a new one on TM with a 30hp for 17k

I’ve got a 370 gets me around the coromandel ok
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Originally posted by Quiltro Quiltro wrote:

Originally posted by spin king spin king wrote:

but yeah do buy a 3500 and enjoy and learn boating in a very safe practice boat, then move up in size if you need to. here's me my wife our then 4 and 1 year old out on raglan harbor


Hey Spin King, thanks so much for your input. 

re the FATCAT's I am test driving it tomorrow actually. But after seeing some videos about (and also someone else commenting here) it seems that the boat despite being/looking extremely spadeful seems like a 'wet' ride. much so than many other dinghies? I wonder why they would add or extended those gunnels a bit? anyhow, will report back tomorrow after the fact. 

Also, thanks for sharing those photos, I could resist to sneak out through your instagram account, and it seems you've had a blast with that SW3500! however I was wondering about that other grey boat that shows up on some of your photos, is that the SW4200? or is it also a SW3500 e-Fish?



How did the FATCAT trial go mate??

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