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What is your pick out of the following list, for typical Auckland sloppy sea conditions.  The boat is to be used for general family and fishng activities. It needs to be soft riding, handles all sea conditions well, safe and well built.
Kiwikraft 550
Senator 540/560
Surtees 550
Extreme 550/570
Leda craft 550
Osprey 540
Aqualite 570
Tsunami 500/550
Lasercraft 580
Vision 560
Everyman 550
Others.

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Soft riding takes out most of the pontoon boats.
I'm thinking that from your list , either the Surtees or the Lasercraft will be the better options.
If you have the $$ available, AMF is definately worth a look
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In boats that size range you tend to either get stabilty at rest with the pontoon boats but they ride hard, or a softer ride in a deep V 'non-pontoon' hull but they are less stable at rest. I don't know many of the boats in that size range very well so won't comment on the boats in your list, but I am pretty sure that you will need to decide whether ride or stabilty is the most important to you. For 'normal family' use I would probably tend towards a non-pontoon with a moderate V in that size range. This will give you a compromise bewteen ride and stability.
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My pick would be the aqualite, deep V and pontoonsThumbs%20Up
 softest riding pontoon on the market except my boat that has a 25deg deep vee with pontoons for stability at rest.
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If you like the Aqualite let me know. I need to check, but I have a feeling that one of my aquaintances might be Mr Aqualite.
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I have to disagree with pontoons not been a soft ride. I find the Senator soft. Its all about how the are driven 
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sure rides well on the trailer on the back lawn pigletWink
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Originally posted by Boulder Boulder wrote:

sure rides well on the trailer on the back lawn pigletWink



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Bushie - I was making a generalisation rather then a specific comment on a particular boat. I do believe however that the generalisation is pretty much correct for most of the boats he mentioned. The Senators may be the exception to the rule (I don't know them myself) , so technofreak should read all the comments here (especially the comments of owners of similar boats in that size range) and then will be in a position to work out what he should do.

My experience has been that a lot of sub 6.0m tinnies have significant compromises between ride, stability, room, wetness etc that you don't see so badly once you get over 6.0m in size. For intsance I loved the 6.7m Southern we had, where the 570 rode well, but was far too unstable to be considered a 'family boat'. The couple of ~5.5m pontoons I have ridden in rode like bricks, and a quick look at the hull shape makes it obvious why. When I looked at the hull shape of some larger ~7.0m models you could see how they might have quite a decent ride, but if you shrink the same design to ~5.5m you end up with little usable space etc etc. In that size range I believe that it is all about compromises.

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Originally posted by Boulder Boulder wrote:

sure rides well on the trailer on the back lawn pigletWink


Its like riding on cotton wool
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Originally posted by Bushpig Bushpig wrote:

Originally posted by Boulder Boulder wrote:

sure rides well on the trailer on the back lawn pigletWink


Its like riding on cotton wool


Wink Take extra care crossing the lawnmower ruts pig that can slam the boat pretty hardLOL

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Originally posted by Bushpig Bushpig wrote:

Its all about how the are driven 


How do you drive em 'soft'?
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If its ride thats important go deep vee hull.
If its stability at rest go pontoons.
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Originally posted by Mullins Mullins wrote:

Originally posted by Bushpig Bushpig wrote:

Its all about how the are driven 


How do you drive em 'soft'?


Its all about speed.
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I havent been in a kiwicraft but have heard they are mean, very deep v and potoon..a bit ugly but hey itd a fishing boat.
I would go senator 560HT I just love em,and I own another boat on that list.
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Originally posted by Bushpig Bushpig wrote:

Originally posted by Mullins Mullins wrote:

Originally posted by Bushpig Bushpig wrote:

Its all about how the are driven 


How do you drive em 'soft'?


Its all about speed.
and trim.
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So the pontoon boats are only soft riding if you drive em slow?? I'm sold!
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Originally posted by Mullins Mullins wrote:

So the pontoon boats are only soft riding if you drive em slow?? I'm sold!
Not at all,I think there is a big difference between a stabi for instance and a senator in different seas.My mates senator only goes one speed in most conditions and it aint slow.
Each (all boats) have there own triats,everything is a compromise.In a 5.5m boat you will have more space without pontoons,but better stability with them.
Extreme and surtees are not too bad at rest with the water ballast,nice v in both,but some would say a potoon has other advatages that would out weigh them.
The same boat will perform different depening on motor size and 2 vs 4.
You have alot to consider,better narrow it down further in what you actually value,tick off the boxes as you go,and go for a sea run,in the conditions you plan to encounter and see what you like.
You will get more opions on here than youve had hot dinners,rememeber it is what you want. 
This is fun part.....looking.
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