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Time to demystify the Japanese line ratings.
The Japanese use a numbering system called "gouw" that they used to size silk thread by its diameter many years ago. They transferred that same sizing system to monofilament and now braided line.
PE is an abbreviation for Poly Ethylene which is what braided Dyneema or Spectra is made from.  A simple way of determining PE ratings is to simply multiply the PE number x 10 to get LB strenght.  e.g. PE5 = 50lb approx.  But you will always have some braid makers whose PE5 breaks well above the nominal 50lb.  YGK Ultra is a good example where its
PE5 = 86lb, PE8 = 113lb!   Apart from being very smooth it is very strong for its diameter and expensive to match. 
 
All/most Japanese rods & reels are rated for PE line.  The confusing thing is that the PE rating is very much the line diameter - not strenght.  So a jig rod may have a rating of PE3-7, just whose line?  It might be 30 -70lb of a regular braid or 62 - 100lb of another.
Caution must be taken when matching a rod to PE line, its published PE rating should be taken as being the lighter of the 2 examples above. 
 
The rod PE rating is a useful guide of the workable braid size/strenght for it but use the x10 rule in working out the braid strenght for you.  This PE rating is not related to the rod's lifting prowess.  This is a totally different thing altogther.
 
The Asian jig masters like to boast of super high levels of rod lifting power.  Obviously high lifting power and strenght is highly desireable in any rod but jigging rods need more that that - they need to jig and fight comfortably.  The Japanese prefer their rods to be very thin and light so that the use of graphite is mandatory in such rods.  Unfortunately graphite is a material that resists bending so the Japanese rod makers developed an "elastic graphite" which is almost contradictory since graphite resists bending.  The use of elastic graphite in jig rods means that the rods can now be built very thin with all the best qualities of being - parabolic, light weight and very strong!  Few non-Japanese rod makers can emulate the light weight, stenght, curvatures of the Japanese graphite rod and this is exemplified in the obscene dry lift tests that Jigging Master put their rods through.   Imagine a rod that is similar to a regular 6kg snapper rod being able to lift over 30kg?  Almost unbelievable!  But now this technology exists and jiggers here are enjoying all the benefits of their JM rods. 
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Thanks 4 that CW,im sure everyone will take that lot in and understand the PE thing a little better.
But im sure that some round eyed westerner will put that to the test and question the whole concept,dont fluck with AG Taiwan.
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Thanku CW it is a much asked question
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Thanks Chris, perfect explanation and info there..... now if our bloody exchange rate would improve, I can get onto one of those Powerspells!!!!Wink
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Great information sharing there Chris.....been trying to figure it out for quite a while....Thank you....

 
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and now the english version please Chris...............just for jigging for dummies aka me
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Are you telling me I should buy PE5 for my PE8 rated rod? or is it just YGK Ultra that is breaking way above what you would normally expect.
 
Another thing while I am at itLOL..............I guess like many items, the company does runs of each line. If this batch of YGK PE5 is well above what you would normally expect does that mean all PE5 from that manufacture will always be that far above? Or could the next batch be much closer to the normal PE5 B/S?   
 
I am currently using JigStar PE8 what is the B/S of that????
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Murf, the YGK Ultra is exceptionally strong for its diameter. Ultra PE8 is similar diameter to Jig Star 80lb but tests out at 113lb whereas JS 80lb is close to 86lb.  YGK also make many other braids, some suited to jigging, casting, bottom fishing etc and some which are closer to normal .  The YGK Jig Man X8 PE5 tests at 55lb compared to the 78lb of Ultra.  If you want a line that is close to 50lb, then the Ultra PE3 tests at 48lb or the Jig Man X8 PE5 at 55lb - a whole lot thicker than PE3.  Other brands of PE3 test closer to 30lb.  So you see that there are some line brands that are very much stronger than the opposition, but you do pay for it!
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So if I replace my Jig Star with YGK you would recommend PE5. Also I guess I would need more of it to fill the reel or put more mono in behind. How do you sell it Chris on 300mtr spools? How many clam shells required?
 
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Thin but strong lines are generally desireable giving greater line capacity, less effected by strong current, better jig action, able to jig deeper water.  But they tend to be more expensive, too easily broken due to less diameter and less abrasion resistance, reduced knot strenght because the line tends to cut itself.   You have to weigh up these pros & cons before you decide Murf.  If you want greater line capacity then that is reason enough to use it, otherwise I tend to select my braids on PE size rather than line strenght.
 
300m of Ultra PE5 is around $135, these are the only lenghts I stock. 
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Phew, all the long I thought PE rating on the rod stands for level of Physical Exercise it will give meLOL
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Originally posted by sooshee sooshee wrote:

Phew, all the long I thought PE rating on the rod stands for level of Physical Exercise it will give meLOL
 
Means the same thing Dead but in English.
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Murf007, go for a compromise if you want to stick around the 80lb mark, YGK Ultra Jigman PE6 gives you a diameter of a standard 60lb braid and rates 86lb breaking strain, the extra thickness helps in solving some of CW's cons. 
In the smaller line classes to 50lb YGK have 'Nitlon', another top class PE braid like the 'Jigman' and 'Ultra Jigman', not a big fan of the 'Pro Hunter' which is a YGK 4X budget line.
Cam and I are still using some 4yo Jigman 70 and 80lb. 
 
YGK Comparison chart:
 
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The grate PE debate, the only thing i cant understand is how our Asian friends can rate rod's in PE, because of the difference's in manufactures braided line ,ie PE 8 ultra jigman being 113lb, does this mean my PE8 rod's are rated 113lb ,no it does not but i wish it did.

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Originally posted by stellajigger stellajigger wrote:

The grate PE debate, the only thing i cant understand is how our Asian friends can rate rod's in PE, because of the difference's in manufactures braided line ,ie PE 8 ultra jigman being 113lb, does this mean my PE8 rod's are rated 113lb ,no it does not but i wish it did.

 
Thanks SJ pretty much what I was getting at
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Originally posted by Bunzo Bunzo wrote:

Murf007, go for a compromise if you want to stick around the 80lb mark, YGK Ultra Jigman PE6 gives you a diameter of a standard 60lb braid and rates 86lb breaking strain, the extra thickness helps in solving some of CW's cons. 
In the smaller line classes to 50lb YGK have 'Nitlon', another top class PE braid like the 'Jigman' and 'Ultra Jigman', not a big fan of the 'Pro Hunter' which is a YGK 4X budget line.
Cam and I are still using some 4yo Jigman 70 and 80lb. 
 
YGK Comparison chart:
 
 
Thanks mate that is easy to look atThumbs%20Up
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