Only catching Kahawai, what am I doing wrong?

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Well feet or finger photos aside, I prefer bigger baits to catch bigger fish and fresh is best. Surfcasting like post is about, smaller will cast further but in this situation fresh kahawai or mullet performs above all else and can be cut into small aerodynamic baits which last long time. Knew a fisherman who was pretty handy, as in caught quite a few big snapper in Papakura channel and even closer to airport. His name was Jack Hudson and used to launch his boat from Grahams Beach. Always used fresh mullet and kahawai we caught off Hudson’s end of Grahams beach. I’ve always used big baits  with no sinker baits this (east)  side, but was regular surfcaster down hamiltons gap when was young when fresh mullet (netted harbour) and kahawai(caught on coast) ruled there for West Coast beach caught big snapper.

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I did well with softbaits east side for number of years, and still use jigs for snapper when wide, but you can’t beat bait for snapper in my opinion straylining or ledger boat fishing, or surfcasting with sinker or tossing floater from rocks. It’s just so much more satisfying and productive with good bait, rather than tossing plastic or fishing lures. Not that lures don’t have their place in certain situations. But I love bait fishing, And fresh is best that I know after 50 yrs hard fishing… sweep and maumau and paketi make great fresh baits too.
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Originally posted by shaneg shaneg wrote:

I did well with softbaits east side for number of years, and still use jigs for snapper when wide, but you can’t beat bait for snapper in my opinion straylining or ledger boat fishing, or surfcasting with sinker or tossing floater from rocks. It’s just so much more satisfying and productive with good bait, rather than tossing plastic or fishing lures. Not that lures don’t have their place in certain situations. But I love bait fishing, And fresh is best that I know after 50 yrs hard fishing… sweep and maumau and paketi make great fresh baits too.

That's very interesting to hear about paketi as bait Shane.  It's not a fish that gets mentioned a lot on here, bait or otherwise.  I've often wondered whether I should have tried it as a surfcasting bait in my early days around Red Beach.  Whole, filleted or cut into sections? (not that they were ever very big in the first place).
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Yes Fish Addict, the humble paketi (spotty) is a less known great bait but they are also a friendly little reef fish we all saw a lot of snorkelling as kids. I don’t target them for bait. But on odd occasion one comes my way, fishing for Jack Mack’s (have habit of swallowing little sabiki hooks) they are good either as scaled filets as a ledger bait or as straylined head gut half paketi.
We used to crush head when rock fishing and using them. Great big snapper bait as really tough, hard to get off a hook. I caught and used one last week. Snapper were straight on to it.
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Originally posted by shaneg shaneg wrote:

Yes Fish Addict, the humble paketi (spotty) is a less known great bait but they are also a friendly little reef fish we all saw a lot of snorkelling as kids. I don’t target them for bait. But on odd occasion one comes my way, fishing for Jack Mack’s (have habit of swallowing little sabiki hooks) they are good either as scaled filets as a ledger bait or as straylined head gut half paketi.
We used to crush head when rock fishing and using them. Great big snapper bait as really tough, hard to get off a hook. I caught and used one last week. Snapper were straight on to it.
Use to get lots of Paketi around North head,devonport sea wall between wharf and naval base,presume they are still there,that was 50yr ago.

On the mullet front. Have you found fresh mullet is not as tough as use to be,same for squid.all seems a lot softer today.Found needing to use elastic to stop it being stripped in one bite.

The old boy next door swears flounder head is the go to bait. Have tried it and head most likely still floating around,never got a bite.
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Yeah mullet, even fresh, is softer than kahawai… haven’t fished with fresh mullet for a while. Whereas when used to stay at Grahams beach I could score the odd one from net set out front when there was enough already for smoker.
Wife buys flounder from supermarket which we eat but she chops heads off and saves them for bait. It was her dads favourite bait. They used to net heaps in woolshed bay waiheke, then he used gut them from the family launch. Apparently they put large flounder heads on large hook on floating heavy handline, and would catch the curious kings attracted by flounder guts.
I’ve had limited success with flounder heads… they are not a huge sized bait but very tough. The one time they really worked for me was in winter over five years ago in kayak off campbells… fishing couple of kms out off sand, further than I usually paddle. Recall 2 snapper took flounder heads and another took a kahawai head. All fish were over 15 lb, and biggest would probably gone 20lb. I put 2 back and kept one. Best kayak snapper session I’ve ever had. But on few other occasions flounder heads have gone untouched, possibly unnoticed, or larger fish partial to them weren’t in area.
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