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Newbie question:
I was viewing the latest LBG'r video where he played a Kingie for an hour. (Good video Scott. I 'liked' it.)

I noticed that even with the fish near the boat he chose to 'gaff' the fish where I thought a landing net would have been used. Especially as he'd commented that he wasn't keen to poke a hole in the inflatable boat.

Why/When do people choose the Gaff or the Net? Is it depending on the fish or the angler, depth, size or what? 

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Good question. I fish from a jetski (and previously from a kayak), so space is limited. I could carry both, but that would take up two rod holders. The gaff is useful for big fish - having said that, I often choose not to gaff them because I want to release them (go figure as they say!). The gaff also serves as a boat hook. I can USUALLY (but not always!) accept the odd fish slipping the hook and getting away because I don't have a net. 
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I used to gaff smaller fish but nah, only used for kings pretty much now
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Thanks for your thoughts, both.

MB: I understand the space limitation on your jetski. Do you gaff bigger snapper since you can't net them?

It's just that watching the video it looked, to me, that the Kingie would be an easy net-job but he chose to gaff it despite concerns about holing the boat.

Smudge: Is it the length/weight or strength of the Kingie which dictates the choice of gaff over net or what?

I was thinking if a fish might have to be released due to being undersized then it had more chance of survival with a bit of net-rash than a gaff-hole in its side.

Of course, I've never even seen a Kingfish up close - I'm just curious and it's stormy outside so I'm thinking out-loud.
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Good question FO. If the kingfish is marginal I will net it. If its a biggish one (say a metre or more) and I'm going to keep it then I'll gaff it. Kingfish often come to the boat pretty green and it's best to take your time till you can get a good net or gaff shot. You need a decent sized net too.
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Originally posted by Foxtrot Oscar Foxtrot Oscar wrote:

MB: I understand the space limitation on your jetski. Do you gaff bigger snapper since you can't net them?


yes and no. i generally try to release them, but they often come up hapuka-style if fishing deep water, i.e. totally blown and floating up to the surface. if they are blown, i gaff them. if not, then i grab them by the tail. big snapper are remarkably well behaved at the surface compared to smaller specimens. i would never gaff a fish i was going to release. 
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Originally posted by Foxtrot Oscar Foxtrot Oscar wrote:


I noticed that even with the fish near the boat he chose to 'gaff' the fish where I thought a landing net would have been used



I thought exactly the same as you and given the option I would have used the landing net. I guess there is no right or wrong it just seemed to me that netting was probably the easier option.
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Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

Good question FO. If the kingfish is marginal I will net it. If its a biggish one (say a metre or more) and I'm going to keep it then I'll gaff it. Kingfish often come to the boat pretty green and it's best to take your time till you can get a good net or gaff shot. You need a decent sized net too.
I suppose a metre long fish would be hard to hold in a 'normal-sized' net. What do you mean by they "often come to the boat pretty green" ?
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Originally posted by MightyBoosh MightyBoosh wrote:

Originally posted by Foxtrot Oscar Foxtrot Oscar wrote:

MB: I understand the space limitation on your jetski. Do you gaff bigger snapper since you can't net them?


yes and no. i generally try to release them, but they often come up hapuka-style if fishing deep water, i.e. totally blown and floating up to the surface. if they are blown, i gaff them. if not, then i grab them by the tail. big snapper are remarkably well behaved at the surface compared to smaller specimens. i would never gaff a fish i was going to release. 
Understood. Thanks MB.
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Originally posted by Fish Addict Fish Addict wrote:

Originally posted by Foxtrot Oscar Foxtrot Oscar wrote:


I noticed that even with the fish near the boat he chose to 'gaff' the fish where I thought a landing net would have been used



I thought exactly the same as you and given the option I would have used the landing net. I guess there is no right or wrong it just seemed to me that netting was probably the easier option.
Like minds! Thanks for reply FA. Nice to know I'm not thinking sideways.
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Interesting little topic! 7.1mm stainless steel shaft captures all my fish, have next to no experience with a net or a gaff.. I must say on here I learn a fair amount about the extra lengths you tackle fiddlers go to. much more to fishing than throwing some bait and a hook overboard LOLLOL
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Originally posted by JustAnotherSpearo JustAnotherSpearo wrote:

Interesting little topic! 7.1mm stainless steel shaft captures all my fish, have next to no experience with a net or a gaff.. I must say on here I learn a fair amount about the extra lengths you tackle fiddlers go to. much more to fishing than throwing some bait and a hook overboard LOLLOL


Good to see the age old spearos vs idiot stickers debate is still alive and healthy Thumbs Up.  Some classic posts from the breath holders over the years.
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Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

Originally posted by JustAnotherSpearo JustAnotherSpearo wrote:

Interesting little topic! 7.1mm stainless steel shaft captures all my fish, have next to no experience with a net or a gaff.. I must say on here I learn a fair amount about the extra lengths you tackle fiddlers go to. much more to fishing than throwing some bait and a hook overboard LOLLOL


Good to see the age old spearos vs idiot stickers debate is still alive and healthy Thumbs Up.  Some classic posts from the breath holders over the years.
Tackle Fiddlers, Idiot Stickers, LOL. Great stuff! (I presume the Idiot Stick is a 'rod'?)

The aspect I'm interested in is that a hooked fish which is boated via a landing net has a reasonable chance of being returned to the sea, alive, if it is either undersized or an unwanted 'biggie' perhaps.

Whereas a fish that has been gaffed or speared has a poor prognosis for a longer life.

This leads me to ask:
How do spearo's determine legal length before pulling the trigger? What if you spear something that's a bit short when you get it onto the boat?
Or do you only shoot at 'long' fish? Confused
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Originally posted by Foxtrot Oscar Foxtrot Oscar wrote:

Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

Originally posted by JustAnotherSpearo JustAnotherSpearo wrote:

Interesting little topic! 7.1mm stainless steel shaft captures all my fish, have next to no experience with a net or a gaff.. I must say on here I learn a fair amount about the extra lengths you tackle fiddlers go to. much more to fishing than throwing some bait and a hook overboard LOLLOL


Good to see the age old spearos vs idiot stickers debate is still alive and healthy Thumbs Up.  Some classic posts from the breath holders over the years.


Tackle Fiddlers, Idiot Stickers, LOL. Great stuff! (I presume the Idiot Stick is a 'rod'?)

The aspect I'm interested in is that a hooked fish which is boated via a landing net has a reasonable chance of being returned to the sea, alive, if it is either undersized or an unwanted 'biggie' perhaps.

Whereas a fish that has been gaffed or speared has a poor prognosis for a longer life.

This leads me to ask:
How do spearo's determine legal length before pulling the trigger? What if you spear something that's a bit short when you get it onto the boat?
Or do you only shoot at 'long' fish? Confused


Well let me tell you a story.. ill try make it a short version.
Dad started spearing at highschool and had a handpicking license and he is now 65. 40 odd years doing the hard yards, trial and error, with poor old mum in the mix for the last 30 years.

What fish are picked to go home for my family and or neighbors. 2/3 own boats.. which resulted.. Well... Basically over christmas I was banned from shooting any kingfish under 30kg (both grandparents remaining are in rest homes, once a month provide them with kingfish / snapper/ scallops etc to feed the resident but mainly my grandparents miss their seafood) and banned from shooting any snapper unless stated needed one for the table..
Whole family is just "fished" out. As mum says..

But in terms of fish, we get to see what swims around, if you are unsure just wave at the fish dont squeeze the trigger.

Kingfish are easy to identify.. always have the rats in the school but just go down to the bottom where the big fellas are and take the pick then hold on for the tow ride.

If I wanted I could come home just about every trip with a snapper in the 15-20lb range (as long as I launch out of Whangareis harbor), but honestly 4 nights in a row of fish for every 2nd weekend has cured that trigger happy side.

You also learn reference to gauge the size, probably a bit like how you guys determine the fish on the stick with headshakes or whatever. My palm with dive glove on makes a scallop 105mm. Smaller needs a measure and so on.
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I carry both on the boat, net and gaff. Snapper under 40cm, I usually just lift them in by the trace. Bigger than 40cm I'll go for the net. Gurnard, net every time. Kingfish that I intend to keep, gaff. Kingfish that I intend to release, grab the trace and it's tail if possible. Good thread Foxtrot.
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As a lifelong angler, and SCUBA diver for over 20 years, I have a lot of respect for spearos. It takes an awful lot of practice and skill to be good at it, and in my experience spearos are very selective about what they take and have zero by-catch.   
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On a kayak a net is best, Kingis are easy to land, just grab then by the mouth.
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Originally posted by JustAnotherSpearo JustAnotherSpearo wrote:

Originally posted by Foxtrot Oscar Foxtrot Oscar wrote:

Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

Originally posted by JustAnotherSpearo JustAnotherSpearo wrote:

Interesting little topic! 7.1mm stainless steel shaft captures all my fish, have next to no experience with a net or a gaff.. I must say on here I learn a fair amount about the extra lengths you tackle fiddlers go to. much more to fishing than throwing some bait and a hook overboard LOLLOL


Good to see the age old spearos vs idiot stickers debate is still alive and healthy Thumbs Up.  Some classic posts from the breath holders over the years.


Tackle Fiddlers, Idiot Stickers, LOL. Great stuff! (I presume the Idiot Stick is a 'rod'?)

The aspect I'm interested in is that a hooked fish which is boated via a landing net has a reasonable chance of being returned to the sea, alive, if it is either undersized or an unwanted 'biggie' perhaps.

Whereas a fish that has been gaffed or speared has a poor prognosis for a longer life.

This leads me to ask:
How do spearo's determine legal length before pulling the trigger? What if you spear something that's a bit short when you get it onto the boat?
Or do you only shoot at 'long' fish? Confused


Well let me tell you a story.. ill try make it a short version.
Dad started spearing at highschool and had a handpicking license and he is now 65. 40 odd years doing the hard yards, trial and error, with poor old mum in the mix for the last 30 years.

What fish are picked to go home for my family and or neighbors. 2/3 own boats.. which resulted.. Well... Basically over christmas I was banned from shooting any kingfish under 30kg (both grandparents remaining are in rest homes, once a month provide them with kingfish / snapper/ scallops etc to feed the resident but mainly my grandparents miss their seafood) and banned from shooting any snapper unless stated needed one for the table..
Whole family is just "fished" out. As mum says..

But in terms of fish, we get to see what swims around, if you are unsure just wave at the fish dont squeeze the trigger.

Kingfish are easy to identify.. always have the rats in the school but just go down to the bottom where the big fellas are and take the pick then hold on for the tow ride.

If I wanted I could come home just about every trip with a snapper in the 15-20lb range (as long as I launch out of Whangareis harbor), but honestly 4 nights in a row of fish for every 2nd weekend has cured that trigger happy side.

You also learn reference to gauge the size, probably a bit like how you guys determine the fish on the stick with headshakes or whatever. My palm with dive glove on makes a scallop 105mm. Smaller needs a measure and so on.

Good info JAS. your 'sizing system' makes good sense. Cheers.
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Originally posted by kitno kitno wrote:

I carry both on the boat, net and gaff. Snapper under 40cm, I usually just lift them in by the trace. Bigger than 40cm I'll go for the net. Gurnard, net every time. Kingfish that I intend to keep, gaff. Kingfish that I intend to release, grab the trace and it's tail if possible. Good thread Foxtrot.
Cheers Craig and Happy New Year mate.
Why gaff the keeper Kingies rather than net them? That's kinda what I'm trying to understand. Thanks for input.
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Originally posted by MightyBoosh MightyBoosh wrote:

As a lifelong angler, and SCUBA diver for over 20 years, I have a lot of respect for spearos. It takes an awful lot of practice and skill to be good at it, and in my experience spearos are very selective about what they take and have zero by-catch.   
Thanks Boosh. That's a very positive post. Cheers! Smile
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