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    Posted: 25 Sep 2013 at 12:16am
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I have just recently purchased a mac 420 cc with a 50 4stroke Suzuki, all 2007. I had previously owned a little 360,mac forward steer, nice little boat. anyway the 420 was as cheap as chips. I have only been out twice and both times a metre swell with the wind getting up and both times a fair amount of spray, especially from the side. any mac owners or previous mac owners have any tips a part from a good rain coat
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yeah, raincoat AND googles!
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They should have renamed them the WET420 and WET360!  Have owned both, and as above, they are wet by nature. However they are great boats, the two downsides being weight (heavy) and wet as you have noticed.

The issue lies in the stepped chine going onto rounded pontoons, water is deflected at 45 degrees off the chine, hits the round hull and keeps going, when the wind is from the side, this will blow right back on you due to the low freeboard.

The benefits of the MAC build outweigh this IMO though. Really fun, safe and solid boats that are easily modified.  there's no way to stop this apart from wearing a wet suit in the rough! I did consider having a plastic welder tack on a spray deflector at one stage, would be done easily enough, but at $$$ cost...
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great stability, feel really safe, quite nippy with the 50 but wet.  I think ill pick my days which will keep me dry. Did you notice you have to keep the motor trimmed up a bit to avoid backwash when slowing abrubtly or a  heavy following sea. the other thing is how much would it cost to put the fisherman front on, I got the boat cheap  and would still come out on top.[not sure on that] over cap?
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i'm not a fan of centre consoles myself. it might be worth getting one on for the amount of fishing days it provides over the cc. if you're in auckland stop by and have a chat with them at galloway on cryers road. i don't think its a huge job, just the cost of the cuddy itself that might decide for you.

the stern on the 420 is so wide, and has those upturned sections that raise the boat as the wash hits the back that i never had more then a bucketful come over the back, despite alot of neglectful stopping. 

as far as being wet. well there are certainly dryer boats around. but in that length? you'd not often drive a boat that size the same way in similar conditions. should have never sold mine!
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I almost completely swamped mine Rahui taking some large waves (wake) over the stern anchored stern on in a river rip while fishing... filled the boat almost completley, stayed quite stable and still felt safe. The bilge pump took ages to empty it out.  My 420 was a standard CC I fitted out from a bare hull, loved it, you can fit the double console from the 570 as well for a bit more protection and add clears and a top.  I doubt you'd get much change from $2k to fit the cuddy and then you'll need new cables etc.
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check the weather report before you go out - a 1m chop is going to be uncomfortable in any small boat.
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Hi
 
i wonder if i could get a fisherman top and cables all set up for 3k  or how much for double console top and clears, cables all set up.
 
i like the openness of the cc and in good weather i am gunna have a lot of fun this summer. so i will put her up for sale next year sometimeSmile
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you get what you pay for rahui:) 

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too true, I just don,t want to over capitilize , a small boat is a small boat and cost should be relative.
I knew a guy who had an extreme 460 and he kept spending on it and it owed him 50k in the end, lot of coin for a small boat. when he traded up he got 25k, oucch, mind you he had money to burn.
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oh, I just wanted to ask any mac owners, previous or current, how they rated the mac boats. obviously they are wet, but comparisions in terms of ride, stability, function, safety. I had a kiwi craft 440 which was a little beauty, I gotta say the mac pushes it in some areas,
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They are quiet, warm to the touch, solid, any holes easily repaired with a soldering iron and a sliver cut-off with a craft knife from somewhere inconspicuous. They ride well in a chop - predictable and hell of a stable thanks to the ridiculous wide 2.2m beam (which is a negative if you have a small garage like me!).

The freeboard is a bit low and they take more horsepower to perform compared to a tinny. IMO 50hp is minimum for the 420 and 25/30hp minimum for the 360.  Great value for money and safe. I would put a Kiwicraft 440 over a Mac 420 however.
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I had a Mac 570 and thought pretty highly off it! Stable as, and as FF mentioned, warm, quiet and easy to add aftermarket bits to. Was awesome to dive off with the big swim steps on the back and reasonably low ass to. And it dealt with chop pretty well, just put its heavy shoulders in and punched through (much better then any similar sized ali pontoon Iv'e been on, although haven't tried a kiwikraft out) 

Negatives were the cost of running it (115hp Johnson 2 stroke) and the spray you WOULD take on in anything but the calmest conditions.

All in all though if it wasn't for the running $$ I wouldn't have sold it.  
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Big smileI think mac have changed the chine on the new macs and apparently a little dryer.
They are a little pricey for what they are and I suppose it is up to mac to become competitive and innovative as well, they are over due to put something new out there, especially  if you want to keep in the race.
 
I suggested to mac they try and convert the 5.7 to cabin status and have a berth in it for a nap'
 
question?, is it the deeper v the more fuel usage and boats like the mac very shallow use less fuel
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I love your old 570 I brought off ya H'd-up,
Sure its not cheap on gas but still affordable, I'd rather pay a little more each trip than cop the difference between buying a 4 stroke instead.
We've removed the seats & fitted a 160L icey tec in the centre of the deck now & with a padded top it doubles as a seat big enough for the x4 of us,
moved the bait board back about 250mm,awesome fishing room now.
Havent go wet yet, but Im not as tall as you and duck if I see it comingWink
Just need the weather to clear now.....
Best thing is its so quite to fish from even with our 8 & 10 year old boys banging & crashing around.
Hope ya like your new boat Mate.
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Thats good to hear mate! Im sure you and the family will get heaps of enjoyment out of it for a long while! And your right, being a short ass you should be able to hide behind the dodger haha. Good idea with the icey tec to, would be primo. 

Very happy with the new craft but your on the money about the weather its been a real SOB for the last few weeks, I'm hanging out to to get out and drop a line! 

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opinion on the indestructability and flotation of the mac boat, I had a 360 and dragged it up on the rocks
it handled it , but I did notice it started to scuff and become noticeable. question, anyone ever been swamped or do you reckon they are unsinkable,is there such a thing as a unsinkable boat, it certainly puts your mind at rest to know you have a duck underneath you and not a chicken.
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Me and a mate went out with this old bushman dude a few years back in his mac 360/ 15hp zook 4 stroke out from onetai by waikawau beach, north taranaki. His large forrestry/hunting block bordered some prime remote fishing so a beach launch was the go, been a surfer of 25 years i know a thing or 2 about reading the waves etc.. however he was a stubborn old bugga and not listening to my suggestion of an easy launch in a big flat hole 200mtrs down the beach and with no shorebreak, we ended up going straight off his batch in a 1.5mtr breaking wave filled surf zone. Nevermind he said.. 'might get a cupla greenies over the front but f it'. Long story short we did indeed take a couple over the front and completey swamped it but bugga me that little mac stayed afloat and the zook kept pushing us no probs.
Had to laugh when this old gezza tells me to stat bailing with this 1ltr bucket.. only took a couple hundred bailsLOL. We got some snapper thoughWink 
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They will float when swamped. I have a Smartwave which is similar in that respect. Also with a fair bit of foam between hulls they won't sink, even should water get in between the hulls. As far as I can work it out, my Smartwave 3500 has about 600l of foam bouyancy, and a similar amount of air between the skins. 

They could capsize though, but you'd be trying hard to do so. Even then they should float inverted indefinitely. There's at least one documented case of a well known brand Aluminium pontoon craft capsizing and sinking when swamped by a following sea so the foam is worth the hassle IMO.



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yes I am from hawkesbay and the incident was a real tradegy.  the boil is a vey dangerous place especially at low tide, the waves can really climb up off the reef out of know where.
 
I took my partner and baby of 6 months for a ride one nite to drop off some pots, and I didn't really know the area,[10 years ago], same year as accident] the misses was at the wheel when I was throwing the pots and we drifted into that danger zone 1.5 mtr waves from know where, I just dived for the wheel and smashed head on thru them, got out, but could have gone the other way. I beat myself up for a while as I didn,t do my home work.
 
I have heard of a lot of boats splitting and sinking, I surpose I am glad I have a mac as even if it capzises it will be a big life bouy and it would be relatively easy to get on top of it.  I think they have worked out that buoyancy in the deck can be  dangerous,bouyancy in the gunnels is the key, and heaps of it.
I don,t think there would be a safer boat than a mac
 
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