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    Posted: 05 Aug 2016 at 3:06pm
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Now that I have switched over to wind on leaders I'm shortening the leaders on my lures.  Is 3M plenty to take care of sharp bills?  I'm using 200lb wind on leaders, so don't want to risk getting them damaged.
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I'm way out of my league here Kevin as I've never used them and I really am a pukka game fisherman but I think you would want longer leaders for wind ons. I'm interested to see what the experts have to say!
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Puka.... Larger gurnard...

I use a three metre leader on my lures, then onto my mainline for half my rods, and onto a short windon for the balance.
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Hi Guys,
 
What is the difference between a normal leader, and your wind on leader.
 
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I cut my wind ons to 6 mtrs to the double.
Lure leader just under 3 Mtrs to the end of the hook.

I think it has to be under 9.14 mtrs, excluding the double.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Originally posted by Sidekick Sidekick wrote:

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What is the difference between a normal leader, and your wind on leader.
 
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A wind on leader is connected to the main line with a knot or loop to loop connection that can fit through the guides on your rod, so it can be wound onto the reel.  A standard leader is connected to the main line with a game swivel, so it cannot pass through the guides and be wound onto the reel.  Some useful pros and cons in this article on the pakula web site.  http://www.pakula.com.au/index.php/2014-09-23-04-02-2/2014-09-23-04-02-1/wind-on-leader-pros-and-cons
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Originally posted by Sidekick Sidekick wrote:

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What is the difference between a normal leader, and your wind on leader.
 
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 a windon is a length of say 300lb leader that is usally connected  to your  main  line  with a loop to loop connection  you can have  a snap swivel  at the other  end , 

 the reason being  you can then run shorter  leaders on your lures  the idea being you can wind most of your leader  right on to your reel  you must have a rod  with guides  that will let you do this 

 pluse is you  save on damaged leaders and  have only to  replace the lure section well maybe, and with fish boat side  you can wind  the exsess leader onto the reel   

ps i dont use them  but  they have there place and lots do use them 

 
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That is all i use Kevin, 6m windon and 2.5m max (incl lure) bite leader. Leader can stretch so be careful if you fish igfa rule. 30ft max incl lure
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X 3. Your bite leader connecting to swivel only needs to be short. Pretty much regardless on its trace weight. I run mainly 200 lb windons on 24 kg/50ws and heavier windons on 300 to 400 lb on 37/80 wides.

My bite leaders are less than 2 arms spans including rigging... About 2.5 meters would be average. Will run 200, 300, or 400 bite leader depending on lure size. 200lb bite leaders effective on smaller lures but need replacing usually after each fish, had one strike wreck a 300 lb bite leader last year, had to replace after having fish crash lure but not hook up. So beauty is you can do this without changing windon as damage on strike is generally in bottom foot or so of bite leader from bill and especially terminal trace behind lure lhead where hook(s) are attached and jaws crush.
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Yep I run 5.5 metre windon, then 3 metre bite leader to the Lure. I think you could easily go down to 2 metres like the others say. I really like the idea of not having loose coils of leader when small boat fishing. That way I know I'm healthily inside the 9.14 maximum leader length. My wind ons are 400 pound, but that was a dumb idea, will change back to 200# over the winter. Bite leaders will still stay 300-400 pound.
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Originally posted by kaveman kaveman wrote:

That is all i use Kevin, 6m windon and 2.5m max (incl lure) bite leader. Leader can stretch so be careful if you fish igfa rule. 30ft max incl lure


yes the weigh master just about pinged me on leader an double  on the last blue we weighed

i must keep a peice of cord to measure  with thanks for  reminding me


 i have tried  windons in the past but  found unless  you  are  up to  making  your  own wind ons ,they  can be expensive to buy if you  are  using  a lot of rods
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Originally posted by kaveman kaveman wrote:

That is all i use Kevin, 6m windon and 2.5m max (incl lure) bite leader. Leader can stretch so be careful if you fish igfa rule. 30ft max incl lure

 I run pretty much the same set up. 
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Thanks, sounds like I'm on the right track.  I'll drop to 2.5m I think, just wanted to make sure there was enough heavy leader to withstand strike damage.  He's too modest to say it, but you should have a word with Kaveman about wind ons bite -he's very reasonable.  And most of us have more lures than rods so the saving in leader there helps offset the wind on cost.  For me a big plus will be easier lure storage with shorter leaders on them.

Talking of having more lures than rods I'm off to make some more lures and rig them up ready for next season.
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Originally posted by kaveman kaveman wrote:

That is all i use Kevin, 6m windon and 2.5m max (incl lure) bite leader. Leader can stretch so be careful if you fish igfa rule. 30ft max incl lure

Yep, I use this set up. Kaveman's wind-ons are great, just get some.
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yes but quite a few of the rods on the boat i fish are older and  the giudes are narrow , so its a bit of  use what i get given to play with 

 i do a fair bit of recrimping at sea so when changing lures  i use  a fair bit off the same leaders which saves me on leader  and i know that leader is good to run 

also we have that lure runs there  and mostly  stays there  and there s only  1 or 2 spots i play with, and i have mostly  got that  down too one  today  
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I keep my lure leaders down to 2 m for two reasons. First is that the angler just keeps winding until the swivel is at the rod tip and the fish is ready to gaff or leader in close. Second is that when using light hooks the less leadering the better. This has worked very well when two up with an inexperienced angler.
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I can't remember who sent me through these pics but it was someone from the forum last year when I was going through the introduction to game fishing and learning everything necessary. You may already know all this stuff Kevin but i'll post it up anyways, I found it quite helpful.





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I do quite a bit of Billy no mates so my bite leader at the end of the 7m windon is 2m Else I couldn't get the fish close enough to tag/gaff without putting the rod down. Been there with longer than that and doesn't work for me. Others seem to manage though. Most of my windons are 400lb though and I've had damaged/rashed windons so if just 200lb maybe more risk. 
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I use a 1.7 m bite leader… that's hook tip to end eye… then the wind-on, now using 700 lb braid wind on but getting some hollow 300 lb hollow to make my own .
A combination of Showa extra grip gloves ($10) and braid leaders mean a great trip when tracing… hand ✋ over hand ✋. No need to wrap.
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Hi Guys,
 
Got It.
 
Thanks for the valuable replies.
Most helpful.Clap
 
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