good entry'ish level rod for stickbaits

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looking at getting properly setup this summer for stickbaiting - after a bit of playing around last year, mainly on a heavy softbait rod - with some success

however - i think i can find some space in the garage (hidden from the wife) where a stickbait rod could live

however some suggestions on rods that wont break the bank - entry to mid range would be nice.  the budget isnt going to extend to a top of the line $1400 rod (just yet)

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although if anyone has a decent second hand set they would like to swap out for a set of underwater lights - be more than happy to talk
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Entry level - I was in the same predicament mate. Would love a top end stick but not that flush. I looked at a lot of rods in the $400 - $600 range. Ended up getting an Offshore illusion. CTS blank. They have it stated as a 7'6" 150- 200g rod, but I would more call it closer to 8' and 60 - 150g max. It has a nice light taper that is good for working stick baits. If you have ever fished a offshore illusion softbait rod you will know the CTS action. Scored it for $420 on special. I understand they have some new rods specifically for stick baiting coming out soon that are the same blank but 8'6" and are super light.

Other options in that bracket would be Shimano Caranx pencil instrument, t-curve, Calstar Grafighter, perhaps a monster mesh but those are a bit heavier in action and more a popper rod I reckon.

A lot of people have suggested the Van Stahl 8'GT as a good entry level, but I found them a very heavy action and more suited to GT popping. I could imagine they would kill your back on a decent model king as well.

Better still there is some insane deals that go down in the buy/sell forum. MC works went for $600 recently, insane.

Hope that helps


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Trademe has a Smiths rod for about half new price, $600 buy now. Also a stella 20k FA, older model, for $500 at moment. $2500 combo for around a grand if you' ve got the cash. You'd be very nicely set up with that, pure pleasure to fish really good gear.
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The smith wrc 80/35p thats for sale is an absolute bargain.
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Originally posted by Elpescador Elpescador wrote:

The smith wrc 80/35p thats for sale is an absolute bargain.


good rod but primarily a popper rod, i think he is after a stickbait rod
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used overseas for both stickbaits and poppers.
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Originally posted by kaveman kaveman wrote:

Originally posted by Elpescador Elpescador wrote:

The smith wrc 80/35p thats for sale is an absolute bargain.


good rod but primarily a popper rod, i think he is after a stickbait rod

wut?.. is there a Difference? can you enlighten pls?



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Originally posted by Kenshin Kenshin wrote:

Originally posted by kaveman kaveman wrote:

Originally posted by Elpescador Elpescador wrote:

The smith wrc 80/35p thats for sale is an absolute bargain.


good rod but primarily a popper rod, i think he is after a stickbait rod

wut?.. is there a Difference? can you enlighten pls?



Ariel...A popper rod needs a stiffer tip...especially if the poppers have a big face eg blooper type poppers.A stickbait rod needs a softer tip and a stiff tip is likely to lift the stick baits out of the water.So,finding a rod that is perfect for both is a difficult task.
hence a popper rod or a stick bait rod.We all live and learn dont we.
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to be honest.. I've only seen ONE article that mentions about a difference in two.. he mentions.. "some BRANDS" and writer says only backs it by 'HE BELIEVES'... and its only in NZ! none foreign. And from 1 responce from above.. its been copied. so BS!

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Ask mark from "extreme" =Ginga....Hes the expert in NZ.
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and I thought its always the fart that comes first before the crap.... not this time I guess.
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Originally posted by Kenshin Kenshin wrote:

and I thought its always the fart that comes first before the crap.... not this time I guess.
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Originally posted by kaveman kaveman wrote:

Originally posted by Elpescador Elpescador wrote:

The smith wrc 80/35p thats for sale is an absolute bargain.


good rod but primarily a popper rod, i think he is after a stickbait rod
Hmm the guy is talkin entry level , this rod is alot better than entry level , is used to cast BOTH stickbaits and poppers in the weight range that covers small to med stickbaits, has proved itself to be effective throwing stickbaits to bluefin,gts and suprise suprise kingfish, I have personally cast baby runbohs,shibukis and ulua 90 with this rod and it performed as well as some DEDICATED stickbait rods i have cast,  so i think as an option its very very good!!  Ying Yang
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this is in no way trying to be cleaver and there is no doubt some really good info in the thread, but for sometime now we have been using a Salina 80 (okuma) on an 8ft Okuma Rod as a back up set to our OffShore and Tailisman sets.  I think it cost about $400 all up, maybe a bit less and has stopped some good fish. It never seems to want to give up, I know it's not the uptowner zushy stuff but enrty level it works well.  The action is nice on the sweep and this is the best one on it so far at 23kg
 
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thanks Tin Tub - just the info i needed - and nice fish
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Originally posted by fish i fish i wrote:

Entry level - I was in the same predicament mate. Would love a top end stick but not that flush. I looked at a lot of rods in the $400 - $600 range. Ended up getting an Offshore illusion. CTS blank. They have it stated as a 7'6" 150- 200g rod, but I would more call it closer to 8' and 60 - 150g max. It has a nice light taper that is good for working stick baits. If you have ever fished a offshore illusion softbait rod you will know the CTS action. Scored it for $420 on special. I understand they have some new rods specifically for stick baiting coming out soon that are the same blank but 8'6" and are super light.

Other options in that bracket would be Shimano Caranx pencil instrument, t-curve, Calstar Grafighter, perhaps a monster mesh but those are a bit heavier in action and more a popper rod I reckon.

A lot of people have suggested the Van Stahl 8'GT as a good entry level, but I found them a very heavy action and more suited to GT popping. I could imagine they would kill your back on a decent model king as well.

Better still there is some insane deals that go down in the buy/sell forum. MC works went for $600 recently, insane.

Hope that helps


 
I have a 7' illusion popper rod and it's stated 200-300g, a little strange, how many poppers/stickbaits weight more than 200g?
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Originally posted by fish i fish i wrote:

  I understand they have some new rods specifically for stick baiting coming out soon that are the same blank but 8'6" and are super light.
 
I have one on the dryer now - basically the same as the 7'6 with a slightly softer tip. Blank is rated for 75-120g baits.
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Originally posted by TIN TUB TIN TUB wrote:

this is in no way trying to be cleaver and there is no doubt some really good info in the thread, but for sometime now we have been using a Salina 80 (okuma) on an 8ft Okuma Rod as a back up set to our OffShore and Tailisman sets.  I think it cost about $400 all up, maybe a bit less and has stopped some good fish. It never seems to want to give up, I know it's not the uptowner zushy stuff but enrty level it works well.  The action is nice on the sweep and this is the best one on it so far at 23kg
 

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