Drop-in Outrigger Bases Deforming

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    Posted: 02 Mar 2023 at 4:31pm
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Is anyone having issues with their Drop-in outrigger bases twisting where they locate in the Rod holders? Mine appear to have Manta bases made from 1.5mm thick tubing.
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Are you referring to these?

If you are putting outrigger poles in these I'm not surprised you're having issues.  They are designed as rod holder extensions and even in that capacity it would be unwise imo to exert a force on them of over 5kg.
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 Those are strong . Not what I use though .. I use proper killwell drop in riggers  mine that are about 20 yrs old.. pretty soft rigger a lot didn’t like. They fit into solid stainless rod holders ( decking foam under them) which are real nicely set into alloy stabi gunwales. No issues and have set some 80w tiagras on riggers sometimes.  If drag too tight on a blue will shear bolts out of the alloy if drag is set too tight … but basically ok if set drag 5kg or less.
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Thanks for replies. I have both those Heavy Duty Rod holder extensions and these Oceanblue outriggers. The drop/in SS bases are exact same unit for each. The outrigger fibreglass poles fit snugly into the SS tube. The roller trollers release the line upon a lure strike so the poles never take the fish’s weight.
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Here is a link to a website selling Manta products.

There is no mention of these rod holder extensions being used as outrigger bases.  Perhaps they are not fit for purpose when used as an outrigger base?
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I find them here now on the Oceanblue website.    https://outriggers.co.nz/collections/outrigger-bases/products/drop-in-bases.

Can anyone tell me the tube thickness of the Kilwell drop-in SS outrigger bases please. They look similar.

Mine are also failing by crushing. ie the slot is being slotted sideways where the locating pin contacts the slot in the bases. 
The material is being crushed due to the load on it. They have done about 16 hrs trolling with 2 Marlin strikes. 

I am looking to find out if this is a common problem with these bases. 


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It sounds like you have discovered that Manta rod holder extensions do not double well as drop-in outrigger bases, despite such claims by Oceanblue Outriggers.
I think I'd be having a chat with the store you purchased them from.
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 I have e-emailed Ocean blue. But if these are the only choice out there, I will just have to strengthen them myself. 
I am wondering why these fail so easy. Why they sell them like this? What am I missing?  I need other users comments.
thanks again
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The loads on the bases and rod holders are substantial. I never deploy the outriggers to the extended wide position until I reach the area plan to fish.  Either that or keep them vertical and restrained while cruising (not trolling).
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you should aslso be running a stay, that stops the forward backward loading at the base and saves distruction
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Thank you, I have come to the conclusion a stay is a must. No stay connection points exist so more heavy cable ties I guess. No info on how to install/use them was provided and now no reply from Oceanblue about the twisting. I am also going to replace the base locating points with heavier tube cos they just too thin.ie. Cut off old /Weld on new part. These were really only ever designed to be Rod holder extensions, I think. Does anyone know if Kilwell drop-ins better?
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Thought of installing an insert inside existing and then run a stay to bow.

I also had to drill out and replace locator pins as they bent on mine.
Those that say it can't be done are being overtaken by those doing it.
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replying to an old post - I had an issue with rod holder bases the same as those outrigger bases shown above and now I have just bought a pair of ocean blue outriggers. I raised the question with him as had concern for how a pair of 4.5m outriggers would go if even my rods were breaking the bases

reckons that he has changed his bases so that they have much shallower notches now. the longer notches were weak if the rod holder pin didn't seat hard up into the notch

looking at the previous rod holder set that I had that had warped/cracked this appears to be exactly the case - I can see the point in which it fails is part way up the notch

will definitely keep a close eye on the new set in the outriggers 

out of interest I also had the pins in one of my old holders fail (weak welds), so have taken them all out and drilled through stainless bolts and the rod holders are much stronger. this was a very easy job with a hand drill and vice
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the photo of the set from Buckaneer above appear to be the same length notch as the pair I had that failed.
the new set supplied with the outriggers are shorter notches
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Hi, I recently was reading info attached to Hook-em Teaser bars on a site.
The instructions recommended same as I do now with my drop-in outriggers and also dredge booms.
You must tie them forward with straps to take the weight when towing off them.
If you don't you'll eventually twist your bases or strain the rod holders and pins etc.
Seems obvious after some experience. But this info and some strap connection points 
are what better manufacturers do supply.
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