Extreme 500 vs surtees 495

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    Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 3:51pm
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Hi

I'm looking at getting a new first boat. Using for fishing mainly and pulling skis sometimes.

Usually fishing 2 but sometimes upto 4. I ideally want something that will pit into the garage for storage.

Can anyone give feedback on these two boats please?
Surtees 495
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Not sure you'd be that comfortable with four on either of those.
If you don't want to go any bigger and still want to cater for 4, have a look at the 2014 FC500 at Fish City in Albany. Has a 60hp four stroke and pretty well priced at about 26k.
It is a centre console, great for fishing but may not be what you are after.

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Surtees 495 great boat, you'd need 70 hp to pull skis I think, confortable for 2 but not really big enough for 4

No experience of the Extreme but they are also really good boats i believe.  In fact there are a lot of really good makes in NZ
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Hi,  read through your other thread on this with interest.  Maybe my opinion doesn't matter because I have experience with neither boat listed.  However, I can imagine any sane, intelligent person starting out and trying to decide on a first boat and completely turning themselves inside out -  because for most of us they're a luxury item and there can be a need to justify the purchase in fairly strict terms, given that not everyone is rolling in cash and still has to service mortgages, school fees, and maybe buy cat food.  The fear of making a wrong decision can be paralyzing, no matter how alien this may seem to some.  This has a tendency to result in a situation where every little aspect causes a confusing process of decision making based on 'limited information which is mostly coloured by sometimes 2nd-hand opinion, from a wide range of variably reliable sources'....

Added to the final appreciation that no matter what vessel you end up with, it'll be a compromise and you can really end up going in circles.

So my useles advice would be (and I've read similar suggestions made by other folks) narrow the boats down a bit (which you've done), then look hard at the people you're dealing with for each boat.  Because making purchases like a boat invariably involves a really complicated bunch of stuff HOPEFULLY all put together by knowledgeable, prodfessional, and honest people capable of meeting your personal requirements and high standards.

I reckon it's confidence in the PEOPLE you deal with that makes the big difference

Your first boat is going to be a learning experience - you've already found this out!  There's no way you're going to qualify as a marine engineer in the process, and inevitably you'll make mistakes - maybe small, maybe not.  But one thing's for sure - you most likely far more qualified to make decisions about the dealers you meet than the boats they sell.  Find one whose persoanlity gels with you, who you can trust (and who is truly worthy of that trust), and you'll have struck gold.

A great dealer will look after you, work out what you are struggling with, and in turn you will know you can trust their advice. The boat you eventually end up with as a result of their advice may not be 'perfect' - most likely because as a beginner you're still learning what to look for and what you need (very evident to most of us reading your questions) - but at least you'll be HAPPY that you had the best advice - possibly even on the primary justification thing.  As you learn, your expectations will change - but if the dealer's a goodie, you might find you're still happily conversing and dealing in twenty, thirty, forty(?) years' time.  At which point he or she may be coming to YOU for advice!

People are the key.  Best of luck....

When you eventually end up with your 9m gamefisher a few years down the track and need a crew - let me know, hahaha!



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Very good advice Woke Up. Hagrid, talk to Russell at Fish City Albany. I hear he's a straight shooter. He doesn't sell either of those brands but that's not a bad thing.
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I recently purchased my first boat. Months of reading, asking questions, visiting boat yards, visiting boat shows, check out TM, asking questions on this site, talking to people at ramps, talk to owners etc etc. You get the idea.
I listened, I learned, I worked out what I wanted / needed.
Don't get me wrong people give their best honest advice, you just need to interpret what you as a boat owner require.
Sounds like you have narrowed down some of the basis questions.Ali v glass, usage, numbers on board etc.
I went through all this, and with two kids under 10 I also had to factor them in also.
In the end what we got works fantastic, everyone enjoys their time out on the water and that's the important thing for us.
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Ive fished on a Surtees 495 a few times, sweet boat, nice and soft riding. Fishes 2 perfect, 3 max in my opinion. 

Surtees are slightly narrower and softer riding, Extremes slightly beamier but the ride is firmer. Having said that I haven't been on an Extreme 500.

Both are nicely finished and can be specced with plenty of awesome fishing features.
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Both are great for 2 person fishing boat

and not really a 4 person or a Ski boat. They will do it - just.

both will fit in a garage but measure carefully!
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Great post, Woke Up, priceless advice. Playtime also gave sage input.

End of the day, Hagrid - you need to make the call, no-one else can do it for you. Human nature is such that most people back their own choice after making it, i'm no different after buying my first boat in Nov.

You definitely need to organise a sea trial of your top two. From what TZ has said, they are two quite different rides. 
Even standing inside them at the dealership you'll notice differences that will make you think hard.

My sense is that you're trying to find a boat that will do things they aren't designed to do, especially in an approx. 5m boat that as you've seen in that extensive other thread you posted, in the case of the Surtees isn't really 5m - it's 4.8m with a transom added on.

By now, you've read plenty of feedback to your other posts that 4 isn't really going to work in that size boat. but realistically, how many times are you going to have 4 going out - or maybe you just need to explain to those expecting to come out that it's not possible for all to come at the same time?

you may be able to get a better compromise, particularly ski capability, if you go up to the 5.5m size in either Surtees or Extreme. 



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