Kingfish Turning Off Jigs

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This is probably going to be pretty controversial. 
 
I was at a talk tonight by Rick Pollock and he was saying that the kingies at White Island in the last couple of years have turned off jigs and that live baits are seriouslty outfishing jigs even in the hands of very experienced jiggers. Whereas 5 years ago jigs were outfishing live baits. He also said this is starting to happen up in the Bay Of Islands and may be starting to happen at the kings as well.
 
Peoples thoughts on this and why is it happening.
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I was fishing with Rick and the Decoro team who you could say know a bit about jigging.  About 18 month ago , 2 full on days at White. Rick gave us the same talk and even stated at the time the livies at his usual spot were getting harder to catch. It was about 4am on the first night/morning that we had our 50 or so livies Rick suggested we required.
Gave jigging a good go for not one fish. Several fish on livies so yes that was the case on that trip anyhow.

On the otherhand he stated it had been the best season for 10 years but the bite had gradually been slowing down two weeks or so before our trip which was mid January.

Have also heard the same from others at other locations also. So would assume something in it. 

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I have fished white a couple of times.....further back than that....I was the only one who caught a king(the one time)..nothing the next...I have fished coro many times too......Now its a case that usually live baits are the go but sometimes they will smash both....In the early days of me jigging, kings were all over jigs but when they see them day in and day out they are bound to get a bit wise.....For me the bad thing about a jig is its rigid...Live baits are more natural..But its all on the day now........I have worked really hard in tauranga/whangaroa  as well with jigs but no good....at least its good exercise ! Plus its awesome when you get smacked by a good king.......It also depends on the mood of the kings.....sometimes you couldnt buy a bite..even with a live bait..thats fishing.
There have been some seriously nice kings taken on stickbaits at white over the last couple of years.
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Interesting stuff! This season (since October last year to now) has been my most productive with over 160 legal Kings landed the vast majority on jigs. I can see the theory about them getting jig shy when you consider how many more guys are using jigs now compared to say 10 years ago but that just has not been my experience so far.
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Right time, right place with there mouths open that's fishing not catching. Plus they have tails and swim.
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I forgot to mention that Rick was talking about the bigger kingies. The rats and smaller dumb kingies still love the jigs. He also aid that down at the Ranfurly Banks there is no sign of Jig Shyness yet.  The other thing Rick is out there most days that it is fishable so he would have a good idea if trends are starting to show.
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I remember rick telling us on a trip to white that sometimes the big kingies want a large feed and want it right in there face( i.e don't want to chase it),that day dead baits out fished everything including live squid.
But leading up to spawning they engulf anything perhaps be comming territorial while hanging around the ladies
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I don't catch lots of fish and put them back.
 
I jig till I get a nice eater....about 850-950 is ideal for me and a bit fat not thin.
 
Sometimes I have done only one drop and had my fish and been done for the day.
 
Maybe all this catch and release has to lessen some?
 
It tears their mouths up most times for a start.
 
That said I am looking for my "big fish" and if I wind up in the big ones catch a couple and put back.
 
Not trying to be a killjoy and I am fine with catch and release but I do think a few fish on a day is enough.
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Originally posted by Garry 23041 Garry 23041 wrote:

I don't catch lots of fish and put them back.
 
I jig till I get a nice eater....about 850-950 is ideal for me and a bit fat not thin.
 
Sometimes I have done only one drop and had my fish and been done for the day.
 
Maybe all this catch and release has to lessen some?
 
It tears their mouths up most times for a start.
 
That said I am looking for my "big fish" and if I wind up in the big ones catch a couple and put back.
 
Not trying to be a killjoy and I am fine with catch and release but I do think a few fish on a day is enough.
if you've paid for a charter trip, catching one fish and then given it a rest is ridiculous. 
If you're catching a feed in your own backyard, and have the opportunity to fish on a regular basis, your point is valid. 
I don't  agree with "tear their mouths up most times", more like 20% I.M.O.
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My experience as places like coro, hen and chicks and whangaroa would suggest that the kings love jigs. Numbers wise I have caught way more on jigs but they tend to be smaller ones. Pb is still on a livie
I thinks its probably due to the large kings just not want to exert so much energy chasing a feed. Most guys have a faster jigging action as their technique improves. Something like slow pitch may get there attention
The young fit kings won't mind chasing a feed
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on a recent trip we spent 2 days @ White, 2 days @ Ranfurly.
White was hard going regardless of the technique, but yes Lance on Enchanter was also talking of jig shyness.
Ranfurly however was insane, those fish are so busy climbing over each other they couldn't care less what was attached to the hook.
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Rick also didn't like jigging much 8 or 9 years ago when it was new ish to NZ.

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Damn, whatever works on the day where you are. I know if I was hungry and had livebaits i'd drop those first, but other times, getting livebaits is a pain and you happen to have some jigs ready..




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Yeah structfab in the case of charters and also I realize not everyone gets out weekly or close to it like I do, I agree with you.
 
In terms of how often they get torn mouths I didn't mean to start something as to how often it happens I just made a bit of a sweeping statment, happens often enough though.
 
I knew when I made the post I might sound a bit arrogant but that was not my intention.
 
I do feel there are times for all of us we fish past a time we should stop is all.
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Originally posted by Garry 23041 Garry 23041 wrote:

Yeah structfab in the case of charters and also I realize not everyone gets out weekly or close to it like I do, I agree with you.
 
In terms of how often they get torn mouths I didn't mean to start something as to how often it happens I just made a bit of a sweeping statment, happens often enough though.
 
I knew when I made the post I might sound a bit arrogant but that was not my intention.
 
I do feel there are times for all of us we fish past a time we should stop is all.
all good mate, healthy discussion never hurt anyone. 

"I do feel there are times for all of us we fish past a time we should stop is all"....this is mostly the case for me when I've not caught a bloody thing and can't bear the thought of going home empty handedEmbarrassed
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Been saying the same thing for a few years now and even noticing that the aggression on Stickbaits is slowing down as well, but then you get the days where they will rip into both without a care in the world.
Some of these fish are getting caught a few times over, it would be silly to think that their natural instincts won't kick in and associate an object such as a jig with pain from previous encounters and shy off.
Some days you will see a kingy come up with 3 or 4 obvious hook wounds from previous encounters, pretty sure eventually they get the hint
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you could probably say the same about soft baiting to a certain degree as well........when they first came out and me and my mate used to go out on his boat......other fishos nearby would be using bait and we had taken our fill.......they dindt even know what a soft bait was.......now everyone knows what they are and uses them and so now somedays bait works well or better than softies or vice versa and somedays nothing.......IMHO like ginga says.....once a technique has been around for some time there is bound to be a time of tapering off and then it becomes "All on the day".........maybe  a new technique is around the corner that the kings have never seen...hahhaha...Ranfurly and the kings by their remoteness are probably not jig shy but interesting points made.
will it stop people from enjoying jigging ?Stickbaiting? hell no......why?.....the suspense of the strike!
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I agree with Ginga & Laidbackdood - this is my take as well, once bitten twice shy scenarios, and I have also heard that the soft baiting is not as deadly as it used to be, still very effective but not as good as it used to be, especially in areas where you have a lot of fishing pressure.

No single technique is going to always be the go, they all just become part of your tool box of tricks and hopefully on any particular day one technique will work, and occasionally nothing will work and others it does not matter what you through at them they will eat it (I love those days)
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Kings definately get jig shy and weary Id say. I remember giving it a go out of tairua when it first came out. Was very effective. Try jigging the same spots last few years and they definately are jig shy now. 
Cant beat live baits, I mean it is what they eat all the time isnt it. There will always be new techniques and new pruducts but you will never beat natural baits. 

Good point about the jigs not looking very naturals and quite rigid for a fish. What could be next in the jigging world, heavy plastic jigs to mimic a biatfish more naturaly?
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I thought Rick was never really into jigging because he didn't like putting his boat into reverse. Asians been talking about this for decades. Or it could possibly be that a lot of their oceans resemble barren desserts. As what is increasingly happening here with kingfish and their bait fish food being scoured by the seiners and sent overseas for pet food, fertiliser and fish farm pellets. Could have said kingies were very shy back when mechanical jigging was at it's infancy here, on their day. Very temperamental at times even when you see the sounder light up with tell tale sign. Other times all you need is spanners, bread knifes or barbie dolls, they just hammer em all. Could be over fishing, could be mood, could be moon phase, or could be doctors orders from mighty Kiwa, that is " no over eating before hitting the dance floor boys and girls. And then if they're anything like me their minds may turn straight to food after they've emptied their sacks. Who knows, that's fishing, bucket fulls of theories. It's great to see the live baiting happening further into the abyss, looks productive. Forgot to mention if you happen to luck a day or two after an actual spawn when they've just emptied out, freaking mayhem in my experience.
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