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Mpi need a roadshow van and visit various ramps etc but proberly just going through the motions as mind already made up like the last round of cuts.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't this same person & his think tank come out a few months back with another report condemning the practices of the commercial sector and also supporting the findings of the Auckland University. If it is, then all the rec's thought he was correct but now that he produces a report showing rec's need to do their bit your all up in arms and calling his findings rubbish.


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Tonto 2 said ,who asked for this report and who paid for it. Very good and relevant question.

Because there is not a freeflow of information then the undertones can only be sinister.

Suspect reason virtually no one turned up at yesterdays meeting,firstly few knew,and secondly it goes back to the snapper cuts a couple of years back. Back then the venues were packed with recreational fishers,all hoping their input would make some difference. It didnt. The decision had already been made. Recreational were walked over,trampled into the mud. The great fish transfer from one  sector to another was all but complete. The meetings were just a P.R,look good scam.
Most recreational now think,whats the point. Dosent matter if we attend or not.Decisions will go ahead regardless. Many have lost faith in the system.
If anyone seriously wants to see profit and sustainability from our inshore fishery then fishing tourism will ,if given time and a chance outstrip all other sectors.
But not likely to happen when powerful vested interest sees our fishery as cartons of chilled fish labeled product of New Zealand.
However that line of exploitation has a limited time frame before it inevitably ends .



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Tzer that was Glen Simmons wasn't it ?
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John not letting the public know is a repeat tactic of Mpi..However last night was only 1 meeting .I sure most know by now and still the turnout for the others will be p poor.
If they knock the recs much more it will get them off their butts to try save what is left..
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Originally posted by mowerman mowerman wrote:

Tzer that was Glen Simmons wasn't it ?


No, I know Glenn Simmons did the report but Im sure there was a follow up piece by this think tank and many rec's including Legasea agreed with his comments but now that Randall Bess has made comments against recreational fishing people are against his now published views. So if this is the case it would appear to me that recreational dont know what they want and are quite easily swayed depending on view points at the time

Have look here for more by Randall Bess and his group

http://nzinitiative.org.nz/Research/agoodcatch.html
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Just saw the article in the NZ Herald about the catch limit for Snapper may be reduced to 2 per person/per day. Since I only catch kahawai off the wharf, I hope they don't limit that

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Originally posted by veitnamcam veitnamcam wrote:

So practically no notification at all then.

Not everybody is on facebook especially in the over 30 age group and this forum has how many of the 600,000 odd NZ recreational fishers?

Im a member and wasnt aware of any meetings.

Its pretty piss poor it should be on the radio and tv.

It was on the radio on 3 different occasion i know of as i was the one telling everyone to go to them. If you are in Nelson Newstalk ZB 1341am every Saturday morning i do a 10 minute fishing show with details of anything like this i know of as well as fishing competitions, updates on where the fish are biting etc.

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its just standed mass media  scare mongering by keys  , quite standed stuff into days poltical world 

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Think tank my ar se.
Wish they would declare where there funding comes from .
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Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:


Suspect reason virtually no one turned up at yesterdays meeting,firstly few knew,and secondly it goes back to the snapper cuts a couple of years back. Back then the venues were packed with recreational fishers,all hoping their input would make some difference. It didnt. The decision had already been made. 

Exactly, not just that but the "meetings" were just a series of posters to look at.  All very deliberately set up to avoid any confrontation or discussion.  You weren't even able to give any feedback there, but had to make an online submission later.  Total waste of time, so I suspect anyone who went to the last meetings wouldn't bother going to any more now.
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Originally posted by Gatekeeper Gatekeeper wrote:

Originally posted by veitnamcam veitnamcam wrote:

So practically no notification at all then.

Not everybody is on facebook especially in the over 30 age group and this forum has how many of the 600,000 odd NZ recreational fishers?

Im a member and wasnt aware of any meetings.

Its pretty piss poor it should be on the radio and tv.

It was on the radio on 3 different occasion i know of as i was the one telling everyone to go to them. If you are in Nelson Newstalk ZB 1341am every Saturday morning i do a 10 minute fishing show with details of anything like this i know of as well as fishing competitions, updates on where the fish are biting etc.

You can also subscribe to get info on anything coming up, send an email to this address  [email protected]
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Ok thanks.
Do radioes still have an AM button? I am nearly 40 but dont recall ever listening to AM radio.
Most workplaces (where most people listen to the radio) would be on the rock/hauraki/edge fm.
I dont watch mutch tv but it is always on so I cant help but hear adds and dont recall ever hearing one about quotas have your say or whatever like you do with elections.

Quite simply nobody will turn up if they dont know it is on.

When and where is the next one?

edit to add I have suscribed to your link I think but as I might look at my email once a year at the most I am still unlikly to hear about meetings in time.

it needs advertising.
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Makes me wonder if there is something else happening in political circles, and they threw this morsel out to catch the attention of the nation while they slide something else through parliment un noticed..
you can't fix an idiot with duct tape, but it does muffle them for a while...
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The new management plan for snapper 1 gives commercial another 500tonnes. They don't have to improve any of their practises but can market themselves as sustainable. Looks like it has already been signed off by Nathan Guy
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The word sustainable without genuine research and science is just another trendy con word which sounds fashionably good.

Another 500t. That will be interesting. Wonder where they will come from. Any guesses.

As for their meetings that were not advertised,no one turns up.
A meeting is a gathering of like minded people. So can hardly call them meetings. Call them non events.
Decision already made,just like before.
Another wealth transfer in progress.
Looked carefully at snapper fillets on special in N.W today. None were obviously from fish over 30cm,and most from fish well under that size.
The size we were forced to give up last round, yet acceptable for public sale today.
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Are the proposed changes only for SNP1 area?
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The 500 tonns will come from the recs..interesting how the plan is written..it's all in the wording..but your allowance is reducing .
Fisheries no doubt are part of the Waitangi settlement ..look who you have involved. Ngatiwai.ngatimanuhiri.mooks Honeck..Seachange. part of the above .Moana fisheries.new psh boats.legasea is in the know...6 psh trawlers. No doubt legislation will be passed for them to fish inside with the current Danish sciener boundary..cleaner fishing methods..more fish allows for them..balance is minced up and discharged underwater
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MM is correct on"mook Hohneck" worth researching and who he is involved with,interestingWink
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Being a Maori trustee involved with ngatimanuhiri..I am I'm the know .so don't think I'm talking about things I don't know about .I have contact with many and know the history .who's good and who's not so good..7 Maori family's inherited effectively the entire Hauraki Gulf and many islands including little barrier..past history but still relevant ..I represent 1 family .Erurea .. also mooks Honeck is at the centre of controversy and lies .he is not liked by many.bankrupt 3 times as recently as 2013..but was still active with running claims.involved with government..all this was illegal
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A Grab for the Gulf

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By Fiona Mackenzie
The feeling of having been totally out-manoeuvred has become a common sensation amongst Auckland regional ratepayers – and they don’t know half of what is going on. This powerlessness extends to some of the well-meaning City Councillors who thought they were being elected to work for the people; they now see themselves as fall guys, taking the rap for conniving bureaucrats, greedy iwi and unscrupulous politicians.
Latest Target

Currently, there’s a scheme being executed to gain control of the Hauraki Gulf and its surrounds. It’ll give a few from 26 tribal groups incredible power over a massive and very critical 4,000km² body of water (from near Mangawhai in the North down to Waihi in the south, and beyond Great Barrier Island to the east), along with the significant land catchments bordering the entire eastern coast of Auckland, the extensive Hauraki Plains, the entire Coromandel Peninsula, and the many islands of the Gulf.
Who will be affected by this? Think shipping, the Port of Auckland, aquacultural farms, commercial or recreational fishing, ferries, tourism, leisure, sport, every marina, ramp, buoy or mooring, and landowners – possibly even commercial air space, bridges and roads. And if there’s not enough money coming from these sources to fill the iwi coffers, there are always the defenceless ratepayers of Auckland City to squeeze a bit more from.
Gross Dysfunction

Since 2000, the Gulf has been managed by the Hauraki Gulf Forum with Auckland Council as its administering authority. Its board includes Ministry bureaucrats, elected representatives of all the region’s councils, plus 6 self-nominated tribal representatives appointed by the Minister of Conservation.
Unsurprisingly, there has been gross dysfunction in the Forum. In his 2015 report, management consultant Dr Nigel Bradly put it down to the “inability or unwillingness of members to act as a ‘political peer group’…….the mismatch of willingness, understanding and expectations of members is at the heart of the failure of the Forum to promote the objectives of the Act.”
This highlights the obvious − a fundamental conflict inherent in having elected representatives (some of whom are working in the public’s best interests, i.e. for the region’s environmental and economic health) and those of appointed, totally self-serving parties wanting to increase their power and wealth.
Lack of Due Process

To rid the Forum of its pesky conscientious objectors, a purposely selected team was tasked with coming up with a new governance model – one which would prioritise the tribes’ financial interests in fishing and pursuit of treaty settlements over the Gulf’s many harbours.
On 20th June 2016, the ensuing Report was tabled at the regular meeting. Despite its 83 pages and the serious implications therein (or perhaps due to), Chairman John Tregidga (Mayor of Hauraki District Council) and Deputy Chair Liane Ngamane ignored due process and tried to get the Report’s recommendations accepted on the spot.
The meeting, apparently, became rather acrimonious when some expressed concern at this attempt to shove the recommendations through. Understandably, they wished to have it reviewed by their respective organisations and obtain a mandate before voting. The inevitable claims of “racism” were made.
Obstacles Simply Eliminated

There’s no suggestion that principles of democracy, good governance or working in the best interests of the entire regional population formed any part of the Report’s recommendations. They require that:
The Forum be based on co-governance, with equal numbers of mana whenua (i.e. people from the 26 tribal so-called “authorities over the land”) and others.
The tribes appoint their eight representative members via whatever methodology their leaders deem appropriate.
The other, non-tribal side of the “partnership” represent the close-on 2 million regional citizens with −
5 members (not Crown representatives) appointed by the Minister of Conservation (who would be guided by the advice of iwi-centric bureaucrats).
3 members appointed by the local authorities (Auckland Council, Waikato Regional Council and the territorial authorities collectively).
Each term would be for 3 years with the ability to reappoint as desired.
The Forum would gain statutory authority (i.e. be authorised to enact legislation over the Gulf).
This reads more like an aggressive takeover than a democratic solution focussed on what’s best for New Zealanders.
Conflicts of Interest

Notably, this Report was not prepared by appropriately independent or skilled professionals, without potential conflicts of interest. The authors were:
Paul Beverley, Partner in Buddle Finlay Lawyers − the same organisation which has been employed (at ratepayer expense) by the unelected, unaccountable (but with voting rights) Independent Maori Statutory Board. Paul is also ‘Independent Chair’ (sic) of Sea Change – Tai Timu Tai Pari, the Forum’s co-governance planning arm; and he is reputed to be very close to National’s iwi-deal maker, Chris Finlayson, or at least his policy advisors.
Vaughan Payne, Chief Executive, Waikato Regional Council (with part Ngai Tai and Whakatohea ancestry).
Mark Maloney, a bureaucrat − Head of Internal Audit for Auckland Council (he is thought by some to be easily managed).
With input from the Forum’s tangata whenua members − Deputy Chair Liane Ngamane (a treaty negotiator for her tribe Ngati Tamatera) and Terrence (Mook) Hohneck (Chief Executive of the Ngāti Manuhiri Settlement Trust). They were to ensure the other three “understood tangata whenua perspectives”.
The conflicts of interest may not end there. At the time of writing, the Forum’s Auckland City Councillors did not yet know if this Report would be reviewed and voted on by their Council’s governing body. There’s a chance it could be directed to a sub-committee for an easier passage from carefully selected participants, plus the two votes from the unelected, unaccountable and totally conflicted members of the Independent Maori Statutory Board.
Under Urgency

There’s a real push to get the Report accepted at the Forum’s September meeting before there’s any chance of any more democratically-minded councillors being appointed in the October 2016 Local Body Elections. The plan is to start implementation immediately thereafter.
There’ll also be a wish to progress the statutory objectives well before the 2017 Parliamentary elections, while the very obliging and pro-separatist National Party and its Chris Finlayson are still in power.
Democracy Knifed in the Back

So where is the accountability to the people? Where are the checks and balances to prevent any future harm, corruption or abuse of power from this most undemocratic of proposals? There are absolutely none.
And why hasn’t the NZ Herald covered this issue? The local body reporter Bernard Orsman says he’s not interested − which demonstrates just how much a part of the problem the media is.
What’s so unbelievable is that there are actually New Zealanders who consider this type of co-governance a suitable model in a democratic country. Alternatively, they could be excited by the prospect of rich pickings from showing support for rising tribal oligarchs.
References:

The purpose of the Hauraki Gulf Forum was established in Section 15 of the Hauraki Gulf Marine Park Act 2000. http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2000/0001/latest/whole.html
Current Members of the Hauraki Gulf Forum: http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/en/aboutcouncil/representativesbodies/haurakigulfforum/pages/home.aspx
20th June 2016 Agenda –http://infocouncil.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/Open/2016/06/HGF_20160620_AGN_6390_AT.PDF and Minutes – http://infocouncil.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/Open/2016/06/HGF_20160620_MIN_6390.PDF
Sea Change – Tai Timu Tai Pari, a co-governance entity established in 2013 to produce a Marine Spatial Plan for the Gulf – expected to be delivered late 2016. It is to be implemented by the Hauraki Gulf Forum. http://www.seachange.org.nz/
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