Should I gut my catches ASAP?

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    Posted: 30 Jun 2024 at 2:27am
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I tend to fish late afternoon, early evening and I'm usually too knackered to filet my catches when I come home. I iki and bleed them right after catching them but then they sit in salt ice overnight until I scale them and filet them the next day. (Not removing the guts)

I saw a video showing how to filet snappers without piercing the "gut pocket" so since then I never bothered gutting my snappers and kahawais. The snappers taste ok but the kahawai have a very fishy taste I'm not a fan of. Is it because I'm not removing the gut? Or is it more likely I'm doing a bad job at bleeding them? I'm always surprised by how little blood comes out, maybe a shot glass worth, no more.
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Well , I think you could safely say that  its better to process your catch asap . Leaving them to pickle in their own guts  for a night wont render them inedible  but you gotta think that they could have been better .
Mmmm   a fishy smelling Kahawai .......so  how long did you leave that  before  processing LOL. Sounds  dumb but fresh fish doesnt smell like fish , needs a few days  on ice before it gets smelly , or  not  bled and left in the sun  ( people do it  )  will see it  reclassified as fit for berley mincer  in about an hour
 The decomp starts as soon as the fish is dead and the enzymes  dont stay in the gut cavity when the fish is dead so the sooner the better .
I like my catch to be  bled and iced  within minutes of being landed  and jf you do that  they will be ok the next day , but personally I dont like to let the job drag for another day 
 Hell , me and the Mrs  could arrive home after a days fishing  , at 6-7pm . by the time the boat had been sorted  and the fish processed  it could be knockin on midnight , hands aching and freezing .......and I dont like filleting bent fishTongue  but its hard to get them to lie straight in the chilly bin whilst in their death throes LOL
 
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Hi Ben. If i fish later in the day, i leave my fish whole overnight in slurry without any problem. Even if I have time, I prefer to chill them down whole for a few hours before processing. No fishy odour on either snapper or kahawai.
How are you bleeding your kahawai? I cut the throat and place it into a bucket of sea water to bleed before rinsing in sea water and placing on ice.
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Yep agree with Keith if you put the KY on ice to quickly after you have cut through their throat they won’t bleed out properly. Bleed them as soon as they come in to the boat while they are still pumped up after the fight.

KY do taste a lot different to snapper
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Likewise, I leave my fish iki and un-gutted in a ice slurry overnight for gutting the next day.  What do you think the commercial guys targeting snapper on longlines do with their catch?
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Well I just figure you wouldnt ( I wouldnt ) leave a pig , deer, sheep , cow  or poultry so why leave the fish if you dont have to Big smile
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I do think they fillet better after they’ve been on ice overnight
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You guys are all going to laugh but I reckon fish keep best ungutted in a cold fridge. I recently left a snapper whole , ungutted in the super cold tray of the fridge for 10 days . The fillets were perfect , with the flesh still firm and translucent , no bad odours and tasted good. As soon as you cut the flesh it is opening it up to bacteria . I'm sure fillets would not have kept so long . Of course some fish , like gurnard, trevally and kahawai etc don't keep well at all, just a few days. 
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Won’t laugh at all rowboat. I did this experiment 25 years ago. 
I caught a limit of snapper out Rags and got home on dusk and dinner was ready. Mates and I had been debating what technic works best so tried an experiment. Filleted some fish and put fillets in fridge straight away. Gutted and kept on ice some. Left some in filleting bench with a board on to stop cats pulling out during the night.

About 9 am filleted the rest. Chilled fish from Ivey bin were cold but nicer to fillet. Sink fish warm were more mushy to fillet and a bit wiffy. 

Serviced a piece of fillet from each that night to 6 people including a professional cook. And none of the people could pick the difference in taste or anyway. Including me. 


Since then I fillet as soon as possible for ease of filleting but I don’t sweat it if I have to leave overnight or for a while.  

Don’t believe me, I don’t believe what I’m told by others till I try myself. Give the experiment a try.

Just a note - I tried smoking Kawahai with brown sugar alone, with salt alone, combined and without anything . Turns out brown sugar with light amount of salt combined is best.  Who would have thought 😁
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Commercially caught fish,be it trawl or longline ,arent gutted straight away and before you say they taste bad,its not fish markets fault,its the way they are treated in the supermarket. Buy from a proper seafood market with high turn over and fish is perfect,buy from a supermarket and flabby/grey/eyes sunk because they leave them in chilly bins till reguired,basically no idea.

2 places I buy from are Manukau mall seafoods and a little shop in Otahuhu,princess st by lights I think it is,one  is leigh fisheries and the other a mix of Sanford/Moana

Even whole fish are fine,guts in. Price not unreasonable.
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Well  Pcj  since you mentioned supermarket fish  ( once you have been able to catch your own fish  you get fussy and spoilt about freshness but ... )  we have been buying a bit from Windsor new world ( invervegas)  , whole flounder and filleted  other stuff and we have been  very happy with the state of the product ..........credit where its due an all that Smile
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My understanding is that guts left in is fine for even a few days if the fish is kept at a temperature just above freezing (i.e. salt ice slurry). Anything else and I would want the guts out ASAP. 
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How are you bleeding your kahawai? The best way is to cut through the web underneath the gills or yu can rip it out with your fingers. Blood will pump out if you do it right.

I iki all my fish then in the bin they go. Someone (McTool?)  mentioned bent fish. If they are ikied well they die straight away and as long as your bin is big enough it's relatively easy to keep them straight.

I use a slurry of water and ice, not too much water, just enough. Once home we generally drain the water out and put more ice in the bin with the chilly bin drain left open. I don't use water overnight as the fish get quite slimy and there will be lots of greeblies floating about. We don't usually gut our fish but we do for tuna. 

Fish treated this way are so much easier o fillet and snapper especially taste better after a day or two. While kahawai doesn't store well it is still perfectly good the next couple of days when treated like this.

We take icing our fish pretty seriously. I take 2 x 90l bins out fishing if were targeting snapper for three of us. We fill half fill those bins with ice and as we catch fish in they go. Kahawai get left a couple of minutes in the tuna tube to bleed out before they go in the bin. We cover the fish with ice and add some sea water once there are a few in there.

We go through a lot of ice but I have an ice maker so it's not expensive. It helps having a couple of decent sized freezers to keep it all in. At the moment i think I have four 20L bags of ice ready to go but this time of year if I'm gurnard fishing I don't use so much ice. Most of the people I fish with on their boats use maybe only a couple of 5kg bags if that which is fine for a small catch but yeah. 
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When I was bleeding gemfish recently, I found a big artery underneath the gills. When cut, blood just hosed out. Looking at fish anatomy diagrams, I believe it to be the ventral aorta. I'm going to look for it in other species next time I'm out. 

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That's where it is at on tuna, the thing is it is only about 5mm under the skin. I learnt that from Skoti and in raro where that is their mainstay fish they are quite fussy about  making a shallow cut. We've always bled tuna under the pecs but I always used to put a big stab in there. By just cutting it enough you don't contaminate the flesh so much.

I must try it on other fish.
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