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I'm off to Raro and Aitutaki at the end of June and will be hoping to throw lures around at every chance I can get (I only say hoping as I'm recovering from a knee reconstruction and not sure how mobile I'll be). 

I'm a little bit of a novice when it comes to topwater fishing so I'm just after a bit of advice in terms of lures. I know that as a rule you generally get what you pay for but I am a Dunedin student and I cant really afford to spend a weeks rent on each lure.

So what I'm after is a few recommendations for poppers and stickbaits up to say $50 or $60 each, particularly those which will swim well enough/throw enough water to raise GTs etc.
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for me in that price range for poppers are halco roosta, willamson jet, yo zuri sashimi bull and river2sea dumbell pop.
for stickbaits are shimano ocea, daiwa dorado slider,river2sea rover and yo zuri sashimi slider.
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Halco Roosters catch some very respectable fish! 

I would be looking at the NOMAD / Heru (not going to list the other million names) range of lures, these are proven fish magnets especially the Ulua and the Cubera, they give such confidence when fishing for GT's.  

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Originally posted by harry mike harry mike wrote:

for me in that price range for poppers are halco roosta, willamson jet, yo zuri sashimi bull and river2sea dumbell pop.
for stickbaits are shimano ocea, daiwa dorado slider,river2sea rover and yo zuri sashimi slider.
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Yea have been looking at all of those mentioned above and a few of those will certainly be joining me
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Originally posted by ReelAppealLures ReelAppealLures wrote:

Halco Roosters catch some very respectable fish! 

I would be looking at the NOMAD / Heru (not going to list the other million names) range of lures, these are proven fish magnets especially the Ulua and the Cubera, they give such confidence when fishing for GT's.  

Good luck with a speedy recovery! Thumbs Up

PS. Get hold of Alan Syme and see what the hot lures are...

Yea I love the look of them and have heard great things, it is funny how many names they go by. What sort of sizes should I be looking at in terms of GTs- I may have one of the Kilwell Snake Skin rods I can take up but unsure of the exact cast weights. How about the Dogtooth/Wahoo from the same range? Or is the Ulua a better option?

Cheers, it is coming along okay at the moment- jogged my first steps in 4 months this week. Any sort of sideways movement or bracing is still a no-go so there'll be lots of hard work at the gym and physio trying to get it to the point where it'll stand up to an angry GT LOL

Yea I will definitely do that, does he run a charter up there?

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The shimano ocea and rover230 are both easy to get "walk the dog"...just short stabs(not so rod dependent),,,,the ocea is best fished with 3/0 owners or 7/0 decoy in line hooks....the rover 230 comes with 3/0 trebs already attached...some have rattles in,some dont.The starwalkers worth a crack too.
Black poppers go well i am told...good luckWink
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Originally posted by ReelAppealLures ReelAppealLures wrote:

Halco Roosters catch some very respectable fish! 

I would be looking at the NOMAD / Heru (not going to list the other million names) range of lures, these are proven fish magnets especially the Ulua and the Cubera, they give such confidence when fishing for GT's.  

Good luck with a speedy recovery! Thumbs Up

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x2 great lures for tuna as well as GT'sWink

had a knee replacement 8yrs ago as well.............good luck
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The Star Walker stickbaits are great bang for bucks, around $45-50 each.  They cast really well and weigh between 60-130g.  Easy to swim and are proven fish magnets.
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Originally posted by laidbackdood laidbackdood wrote:

The shimano ocea and rover230 are both easy to get "walk the dog"...just short stabs(not so rod dependent),,,,the ocea is best fished with 3/0 owners or 7/0 decoy in line hooks....the rover 230 comes with 3/0 trebs already attached...some have rattles in,some dont.The starwalkers worth a crack too.
Black poppers go well i am told...good luckWink

Yea have had a good look at those and definitely keen to give them a go. Is that 'walk the dog' action enough to entice a GT or is something with a more aggressive action more effective? Have a couple of the starwalker/tailwalk lures so they'll definitely be coming Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by kaveman kaveman wrote:

Originally posted by ReelAppealLures ReelAppealLures wrote:

Halco Roosters catch some very respectable fish! 

I would be looking at the NOMAD / Heru (not going to list the other million names) range of lures, these are proven fish magnets especially the Ulua and the Cubera, they give such confidence when fishing for GT's.  

Good luck with a speedy recovery! Thumbs Up

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x2 great lures for tuna as well as GT'sWink

had a knee replacement 8yrs ago as well.............good luck
Hmm that's definitely got my attention, would love to get a Yellowfin on topwater gear. Would you just work them around the FADs?
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2cold, FAD's would be a good starting point, workup's are the best bet, check out Panama tuna fishing at Paradise lodge.com.or this link from 360Tuna for a report
http://www.360tuna.com/forum/f76/march-madness-paradise-lodge-26707/


its a shame that they are nearly a forgotten fish in NZ. We used to catch plenty 10-20yrs ago
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Starwalkers work!....


I kinda over-splurged on some poppers when I was in Aussie recently, I have some of these for sale if you want them, $30 ea,  plus $8 fr.

They are long.... like 35cm long, and about....ummm.. 3/4in thick? an inch at the base. Good hooks and splits from what I could tell, and thru body wired. I liked them, which is why I got too many :-)
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Originally posted by kaveman kaveman wrote:

2cold, FAD's would be a good starting point, workup's are the best bet, check out Panama tuna fishing at Paradise lodge.com.or this link from 360Tuna for a report
http://www.360tuna.com/forum/f76/march-madness-paradise-lodge-26707/


its a shame that they are nearly a forgotten fish in NZ. We used to catch plenty 10-20yrs ago
yeah the fishing over in Panama looks insane, one for the bucket list for sure. Cheers will have to keep my eyes out for birds then, will be like chasing gannets in the Gulf in spring but with higher stakes LOL
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hi 2cold,

strike pro, gt monsters from allied outdoors & halco roosters all work well for cheap.

halco roosters 195  are a personal favourite for me and are great bang for buck.

i use natural colours with reflective/shiny bits. water is extremely clear here and the sky is often sunny, so these lures catch the sun and reflect light sending out eat me signals.

i have yet to get a hit on a stickbait here (not to say they do not work) so i like poppers better for gts. 

prepare to lose a heap of lures.

mike from black pearl charters or jason from foxy lady are great operators on aitutaki for gts.

kyle from bluewater adventures is the main gt charter in raro.
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Originally posted by alan syme alan syme wrote:

] hi 2cold,

strike pro, gt monsters from allied outdoors & halco roosters all work well for cheap.

halco roosters 195  are a personal favourite for me and are great bang for buck.

i use natural colours with reflective/shiny bits. water is extremely clear here and the sky is often sunny, so these lures catch the sun and reflect light sending out eat me signals.

i have yet to get a hit on a stickbait here (not to say they do not work) so i like poppers better for gts. 

prepare to lose a heap of lures.

mike from black pearl charters or jason from foxy lady are great operators on aitutaki for gts.

kyle from bluewater adventures is the main gt charter in raro.

Cheers for the info Alan, will have to track a couple of those Halcos down. What is the GT fishing like up there? Is there a pretty decent chance of nailing a couple? I plan on bringing a truckload of lures up, I really do not want to get caught short. 

I have heard Kyle is the man on Raro, sent him an email this arvo to get a bit more info. That's good to hear about the Aitutaki charters, we are doing some work on the engines on the foxy lady on this trip so will almost definitely do at least one trip with them. 

We will have the use of 2 boats while we are in Aitutaki so will probably do our own thing a bit of the time, are they reasonably easy to track down by looking for likely areas or do you think we'd be wasting our time without some local knowledge?

Also, is there much in the way of casting from the shore in terms of GTs? I know we'll have a ball chasing smaller stuff from the shore with small poppers and softbaits on the softie set but would love to have a crack at a GT from the shore. 
Sorry thats a lot of questions in one post LOL


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Originally posted by 2cold 2cold wrote:


Originally posted by alan syme alan syme wrote:

] hi 2cold,

strike pro, gt monsters from allied outdoors & halco roosters all work well for cheap.

halco roosters 195  are a personal favourite for me and are great bang for buck.

i use natural colours with reflective/shiny bits. water is extremely clear here and the sky is often sunny, so these lures catch the sun and reflect light sending out eat me signals.

i have yet to get a hit on a stickbait here (not to say they do not work) so i like poppers better for gts. 

prepare to lose a heap of lures.

mike from black pearl charters or jason from foxy lady are great operators on aitutaki for gts.

kyle from bluewater adventures is the main gt charter in raro.

all good, answers in red below
 

Cheers for the info Alan, will have to track a couple of those Halcos down. What is the GT fishing like up there? gt fishing is awesome on aitutaki, average on raro.
Is there a pretty decent chance of nailing a couple? aitutaki yes, raro hopefully/maybe. I plan on bringing a truckload of lures up, I really do not want to get caught short. 

I have heard Kyle is the man on Raro, sent him an email this arvo to get a bit more info. yep, all the other charters here are not really into gts, they are only really after gamefish via trolling, but kyle does spearing and gts also. That's good to hear about the Aitutaki charters, we are doing some work on the engines on the foxy lady on this trip so will almost definitely do at least one trip with them. sweet, jason is good guy and knows lots about gt fishing, he will give you good inside knowledge/locations/tips etc. i know both kyle and jason well and you will be good hands. tell them that i reccomended them to you! ha ha

We will have the use of 2 boats while we are in Aitutaki so will probably do our own thing a bit of the time, are they reasonably easy to track down by looking for likely areas or do you think we'd be wasting our time without some local knowledge? sometimes easy to find, sometimes hard to get a bite, but in certain locations they are resident. outside the reef alot depends on swell and tide, regarding if you can fish the best spots and be safe, need to be casting into the white water, watch out for the sets that have rolled a few boats, need a driver/spotter and a fisher or take turns. inside the lagoon, once again certain areas they are resident, way less risky.

Also, is there much in the way of casting from the shore in terms of GTs? yes, kyle and jason will give you the places to go in person, i don't want to announce them on here! Wink as there are not many good locations and they provide me with my gt entertainment! just as guys in nz would be very reluctant to announce their favourite paua or cray spots on the internet! but jason and kyle will tell you where.I know we'll have a ball chasing smaller stuff from the shore with small poppers and softbaits on the softie set but would love to have a crack at a GT from the shore. 
Sorry thats a lot of questions in one post LOL no worries


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Cheers that is all awesome info, just the sort of stuff I was looking for Thumbs Up 

Yea we are well aware of the dangers of the reef break on Aitutaki, one of the boats we will be using up there my old man has just put a new engine on it after the owners got caught by a wave and washed upside down over the reef- sounds like they were very lucky by all accounts. 

We may be staying a night or two with the Bishops on Aitutaki while we do a bit of work on the cruise boats and have been offered a couple of trips with Seka (unsure of spelling, he catches the fish for their lagoon cruise meals I think) doing the offshore thing so I think it will be pretty much solely casting lures the rest of the time.

Just a couple more questions (last ones I promise LOL ). Is there much in the way of Dogtooth Tuna? Would love to get one of those on a jig or popper.

Has anyone really tried jigging up there? Am also very keen to chase anything and everything on the jigs but unsure what sort of areas to look for.

Finally, what sort of depths are the FADs in? Would it be worth dropping jigs and throwing poppers/stickbaits around these for the likes of tuna/mahimahi/wahoo?

Cheers again, am buzzing about this trip already and it's still a month and a half away LOL
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Have you thought about wire assists on your jigs as everything over there has teeth.

Also think about a few Rapala type lures for trolling around the reefs to.

Was in a FCO shop yesterday they had $20-$40 Stickbaits and Poppers in packets, if that is what you are after change the split rings and hooks if you are serious... dependant on budget.

Even think about single hooks as you are in tiger countryOuch
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Originally posted by 2cold 2cold wrote:

Cheers that is all awesome info, just the sort of stuff I was looking for Thumbs Up 

Yea we are well aware of the dangers of the reef break on Aitutaki, one of the boats we will be using up there my old man has just put a new engine on it after the owners got caught by a wave and washed upside down over the reef- sounds like they were very lucky by all accounts. yep happened not long ago, they hooked up and did not see the wave coming until too late, not the first time and will not be the last either. makes for intense fishing!

We may be staying a night or two with the Bishops on Aitutaki while we do a bit of work on the cruise boats and have been offered a couple of trips with Seka (unsure of spelling, he catches the fish for their lagoon cruise meals I think) doing the offshore thing so I think it will be pretty much solely casting lures the rest of the time. 

Just a couple more questions (last ones I promise LOL ). Is there much in the way of Dogtooth Tuna? yes they are there, hard to find at times, other times ready to bite, jigging is the best way to target them aside from spearing. jason will show you where to go. not really a fish commonly caught on or near surface here Would love to get one of those on a jig or popper.

Has anyone really tried jigging up there? yes plenty of guys, not many boats have good jigging gear so bring your own, not many boats have good sounders so it makes for hard work probing the depths hoping to hook up with no idea if there are fish there or not before hand. sharks can be a problem in aitutaki when jigging, jason will take you to the best spots for jigging, quite deep 80 - 100m plus. i have jigged there on my last trip at easter, but did not get a hit so went back to the poppers and gts. have tried jigging several times at raro, yet to get a hit from anything of note so far. Am also very keen to chase anything and everything on the jigs but unsure what sort of areas to look for.

Finally, what sort of depths are the FADs in? 1000m to 1500m deep  Would it be worth dropping jigs and throwing poppers/stickbaits around these for the likes of tuna/mahimahi/wahoo? yes, light leaders needed due to water clarity at the fads.

Cheers again, am buzzing about this trip already and it's still a month and a half away LOL wahoo season when you are visiting (winter)


sorry to contradict some of your advice given here in good faith catchalot, but i have a few different thoughts to these, i'm not being rude just offerring a different opinion based on my personal learnings..............but good to get different viewpoints

Have you thought about wire assists on your jigs as everything over there has teeth. only needed if targeting wahoo/dogtooth, don't use if targeting gts or tuna etc on jigs

Also think about a few Rapala type lures for trolling around the reefs to. yep, halco lasers are the local favourite as they can hold true at fast speeds

Was in a FCO shop yesterday they had $20-$40 Stickbaits and Poppers in packets, if that is what you are after change the split rings and hooks if you are serious... dependant on budget.

Even think about single hooks as you are in tiger countryOuch owner trebles are better for these types of lures on these species targeted imho!
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