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    Posted: 22 Mar 2010 at 1:20pm
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hey guys I got two sticky reels just wondering what could be the problem here?
 
When i wind the reel I'm getting pretty bad stickyness (jerky reeling action) wonder what is causing it?
 
both are small reels that have been used on the yak before and I have taken the drag knob full off and oiled and also taken the handle off and oiled but still same stickyness...
 
I would have thought the reel is just stuffed but both reels are different brands (daiwa and abu garcia) so is there something fundamental I'm missing here? 
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I had the same problem with an Abu Garcia spinner. Took the whole thing to pieces, cleaned everything (from the gears to the smallest screw) down with terps then re-oiled and greased and put back together. Ran sweet as again and felt like new until I hooked a decent fish and the whole thing ceased up mid fight.
 
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looks like you got some internal gear problem(corrosion or dried up grease)... might just be needing a bit of cleaning/servicing. Do you wash it on fresh water after every trip? Had it ben submerged in saltwater? I suggest taking it to you nearest tackle shop that service reels.
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take the covers off and add grease to gears and shaft .more than likely grease gone hard
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Full strip down, degrease and regrease. Perfect thing to save for a rainy day. Pays to have a reel schematic on hand just in case. 
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In addition to the above take lots of photos when you are pulling them apart . A picture can make getting fiddly bits back together a lot easier .
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The single most common problem on conventional reels is the main bearing corroding. The reel will feel jerky when wound or when line is being pulled off. Sometimes the damage isn,t easy to see, as the bearings within the bearing race have pitted or corroded. The easieat way to tell is to remove the main spool bearing usually located in the right side frame and use a pen or other object to spin the bearing on. Only when the bearing is loaded will the problem be cclearly evident, unless it is totally stuffed and is easy to identify. Get a new main bearing and prior to replacing it pop the seals off  it and pack it with a good quality grease. Then no water can ever enter, so called sealed bearings just hold the water in them.
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Are they spin reels?

If so the most common cause of "stickeyness" that kayakers seem to get with the typical soft bait spin reel design is corosion of the antireverse or the bearing/bearings just above of below the anti reverse which sit on the main shaft, under the rotor.It's the one place that generally isn't sealed on spinning reels and water can easily get up threw the gap between the rotor and main body of the reel. Even where there is a rubber cap put over those bearings it often isn't effective.

the good news is that those parts aren't that expensive, so if you've got the mechanical know-how it's pretty cheep to fix, if not then take it to a tackle shop rather than 'have a go' yourself and take it a bag of bits. a bag of bits is much harder to repair and takes some time to figure out even with a schematic diagram and therefore caries a higher labor cost.
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Opps, I think ya right Michael they may be spinning reels as not to many conventional reels allow ya to take the drag knob off!
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Originally posted by Yeahnah Yeahnah wrote:

In addition to the above take lots of photos when you are pulling them apart . A picture can make getting fiddly bits back together a lot easier .
 
sounds like someone found this out the hard way?? WinkLOL
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Almost ..been giving a few reels over the years in pieces and fixed up a fair number for mates as well.
A schematic is good to have but a pic of just how that little widget sat in the reel before you took it apart is better in my point of view

I take apart all reels that I buy and repack/reoil bearings and give the insides of the reel a light coat of grease. Even new reels get the same treatment .
 When you think about it the reels we buy are mainly production line items and will have been assembled by some poor sod who has done a thousand of these things before lunch .

They wont take the time or have the time to ensure the bearings are properly lubed nor that the grease on the gears is apllied with a even coat .


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Originally posted by Kenshin Kenshin wrote:

looks like you got some internal gear problem(corrosion or dried up grease)... might just be needing a bit of cleaning/servicing. Do you wash it on fresh water after every trip? Had it ben submerged in saltwater? I suggest taking it to you nearest tackle shop that service reels.
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don't just use grease for all your reel lubricating needs.
Some of the smaller bearings and line rollers need 3 in one light oil, grease would be too thick for them.
Also don't pack the whole of the insides with grease.  Just a light coating over most things and good coating on big bearings.  Too much grease and the reel will feel heavy as you wind and some srpings etc won't return easily to where they should.
One great site here:
http://www.scsurffishing.com/articles/reelmaintenance.htm
Its for a Daiwa Capricorn but most of the principles can be applied to any spinning reel.
Schematic essential as well as taking photos as you go as Yeahnah says.  Schematics can usually be downloaded from the makers' website.
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yeah mate they are both spinning reels and I think you are right on the bearings being rusty coz when I took it apart all the other parts seemed to be fine but I haven't taken it fully to bits yet as like you say once it's all in pieces it takes a hell of a lot of time to put back together.....
 
cheers for the advice seems like I will need to get a new set of bearings or just buy some new spinning reels Evil Smile....
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Send it to Jeff Murray, Green bay. $30 full service = problem solved.
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Funny that I just had my abu garcia play up on me same problem and it was near new. I opened mine up and the bearing was well seized so soaked to free it up then regreased it and now running smooth again. I reccomend shimano reels as they seem to last a lot longer everytime I buy something else it usually craps out in some fashion. Shimanos tend to last a lot better.
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Gun oil would also be a good option as its superfine. Breakfree is a good brand and a small bottle is about 12bucks.
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yeah mate I opened the reel up and found that the bearings were rusted so I sprayed some CRC to clean the rust off and applied some lubricant which got the bearings moving again but not very smoothly... went to the fishing shop to see how much stainless steel bearings (anti rust ones) are and they said it would be about 15-20 bucks each Ouch!!
 
have to agree with you on shimano reels, had my baitrunner for like 5-6 years now and it still runs fine!
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