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I read Craig's article in Fishing News with great interest - mainly because I've spent many fruitless hours casting at grey mullet for no result except a foul hook up. I just haven't nailed down a pattern that seems to attract their interest. I fish a channel area that floods quickly on the change of tide, the mullet hold in the current with their noses down on structure and for all the world the presentations are similar to casting to trout holding in a fast stream.
 
Presentation aside - first I need a fly pattern that mullet will eat. I've tried bread flies, little crabbie things, silicon smelt and even Pheasant tails all with no joy.
 
So, what fly will mullet scoff? Once I get that part nailed I'm pretty sure I can catch one or two ... I think so.... I hope so....
 
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Hi Nick,
Good to hear of someone else that has been cursed by these beggars. I'd just about given up when news of the success they'd had in western australia encouraged me to have another go. It sounds like the situation you have there is perfect. I still don't know what the secret is but so far a very small bright fly has been working occasionally. The fly I used is a size 12 or 14 with a bright silver/chartreuse body and a tiny chartreuse rabbit fur wing. The retrieve has been a short and quick two inch pull...flick, flick, flick... which must resemble a small shrimp or something.
 
The trouble is - they are still difficult and experimentation with different flies and different retrieves is very time consuming. The more people trying the better! I feel there is a secret here somewhere.
 
The important things to consider are the size of the fly (nothing bigger than a 12) and the fact that these fish are not predatory i.e. they will not chase anything down so get the fly right in front of them as often as you can without spooking them.
 
Hope you have some success!
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This may be of little or no value to you but recently Rusky and I have been having good results spearing mullet to 2.2kg and have spent long periods of time watching their behaviour. The two most common feeding methods i have seen are 1) filtering the mud from the bottom (much like carp)
and 2) sipping food particles from the surface as it drifts past or they swim past.
Going on this I would suggest casting beyond a bottom feeding mullet and a slow retrieve along the bottom or flicking a floating fly at surface feeders. Ofted they form tight schools and swirl around in one spot, this is what I would say would be the most oppurtune time to cast to them.
Then again Im no fly fisherman, just a lowly spearo.
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Herby, those 2.2kg models got my attentionBig%20smile
Any idea what sort of length they would be?
I've been playing with them in Tga harbour & I reckon some of the big ones would be 60-65 cms!
I've "snagged" a few on the softbaits & man, they've got some tow.
I have a couple of fly rods here but am pretty sure it would be a waste of time with a standard fly reel.
Will have to look out for an el cheapo SWF model.  
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Well the last one I got was 2.2kg and it was, I guess, the same length as a kahawai of similar weight, but it was also fat and roed up so that would have added to its weight. I'd say 55-60 cm. I have a photo of it i could post at some stage. I think mullet are generally a wee bit lighter than Kahawai of the same length?
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Yep, I'd agree that they would be slightly lighter.
Just had a look at Collins guide to the seafish of NZ & they say the average size would be 30-40cms but some (occasional) reach 75cms & 5kgs!!!
Tga's Sulphur Point marina is chocka with the buggars but they would be hard to stop/land with all the structure.Mmmmmm..........
 
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Herby, thanks for the underwater observations. The surface feeding is interesting. Has to be the time to get them. I see them rolling on the surface here but can't figure out whether they're feeding or just having fun! Spearing mullet is not easy. Most of the mullet I see underwater are just blasting past at a million miles an hour.
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yeah it can be a bit tricky to nail them, but theres a spot we go to that they are in amongst big boulders with mud in between so they can be snuck up on like snapper. The 2.2kg one was going like a bat out of hell right on the edge of the viz with about 20 mates and i pulled off a bit of a fluke shot. theres a resident school in lucas creek that you can see every so often bottom feeding with the incomming tide. Sometimes they are feeding on the surface and sometomes they are just chilling out. In the surf at Muriwai you can sometimes see them surface feeding too. Now theres a challenge for you, mullet on fly in the surf!
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I often see them cruising close to the surface, usually just moving pretty slowly.
They don't look like they are feeding but maybe they are.
Sometimes, the area is "alive" with mullet leaping out of the water. Some of them would get close to clearing the water by a metre.
Any ideas what that would be about?
( I like to think they are practising for when I hook them on my fly rodLOL)
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I've had a few cracks at these grey torpedos and hooked only two. One on a very small shrimp fly, bought in Aus where they use them for bream (I think), and another on a home made jobbie using a tiny amount of champagne egg yarn on a size 14 fished with an indicator. The shrimp fly looked like a sand hopper on about a size 12 in light brown colour, I haven't seen anything similar here. I can't help thinking that one of the Mullet took the fly out of pity in the end though. I'd love to see a pic of your fly Craig, why didn't they show it in the mag? Perhaps you are still thinking of a name for it...

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Thanks Simon..more things to try! The general success on a fairly wide range of tiny flies suggests that there could be a pattern, yet to be discovered, that will be hot.
 
I'll try and post a pic of my fly later.
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In old Denmark, I fished a lot for big mullets. They arrived every summer in great numbers and our biggest fish so far is 7,8kg. We struggled for a few years until we found the technic. Mix sand with white bread and start a little burley trail. The bread will unfold and float on the surface. Within �hour the mullet should start to feed on the bread. You cast a little bread immitation fly in there and watch very carefylly. The mullet will take it on the surface, but will also spit it out in a second. We used size 14 dryfly hooks and white artificial fibres. Will see if I can find photos from some danish websites.
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Nik, I think you'll find they're a different species. Very similar but not quite the same animal. The Danish fish are presumably the same as the ones the Poms rave about all the time.
 
 
 
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Here's a few shots of my gear for mullet. They fight like heck for a short time.
Home tyed flies, made from yellow chenille and tied with D20 yellow cotton. You'll have to experiment with the hook size but I find the bigger the fish I see the bigger the hook I choose. Use a small hook and you'll only catch small mullet. It's as if they have a pecking order sometimes.
 
 
The technique that works best for us is simply to locate the school of mullet, spread bran over the surface (they go mad for this) and about 30 seconds later start casting. If the fly gets into the bran then just give it the occasional tug and the fish will do the rest. If it sinks, then just start again.
We've seen some gnarly blokes with grins as wide as their faces after they've been sceptical about this then try it out!
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Off to buy some bran!
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Bloody awesome, thanks guys I appreciate the feedback and tips.
 
Ok, the water's moving too fast to sprinkle bran - if I were 'downstream and casting up - but if I wade above them, and burley up and then fish the fly down and across... I envisage using a pattern described by Craig or Ross's one, with split shot on the leader so I can swing it accurately to the fish... this is gonna be good I can just 'feel' it in my bones.....
 
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Ross,
 
Can I ask whereabouts you catch them using the bran technique?
 
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On the Kaipara Harbour. We walk down to the low tide mark on the flats and just follow the tide incomming for a little while. They group up looking for the channels and guts to be first onto the weed beds.
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Thanks Ross. Very interesting.
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Nick F  if you use split shot on the leader try placing a very small cork about half way down to the hook. That way in a current I guess it'd bob about between the surface and the bottom. I havn't tried that but you just gave me the idea. Thanks
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