Need help choosing a boat??

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Hi everyone I'm after some advice im struggling lol ,boats!! im in the wrong forum maybe, probaly should be in the boat shed,
im a newbie so thought id try here aswell anyway;) worth a shot
Im trying to decide what fibreglass boat to choose if I could get some help,opinions that would be awesome, im relatively new to it all .my budgets around 10k + or -
Im looking for a boat around 16ft with a small cabin to get out of the weather,store camping gear keep things dry.
Would be used for trips up the lakes with my 2 kids camping,cruising etc
Something to fish out of in the slow moving river where I live and for a bit of close to shore sea fishing hopefully ,which would mean because of where i live id be launching off a beach only on perfect days when the waves are minimal, as I'm not sure how a small 16ft cabin boat would handle anything but small waves ,someone told me they could be to light in the front being a cabin boat and only being 16ft it's not ideal punching through a wave?
Anyway I know people rave about the 14.6ft sea nymphs I looked at a wasp but found the fishing space a bit cramped for me.
Im looking at a 16ft condor craft cabin boat at the moment ,if anyone's heard of them?
I like the look of it ,it has a good cabin more space for fishing than the sea nymph ,but im unsure how the hull would perform, looks to have a real fine entry veed bow,apparently owner said its really stable at rest for fishing etc
If anyone has any thoughts on this be much appreciated.
Another boat which I've been thinking about which are hard to find a good one down south here is the 16ft bonito?
And or haines hunter v163
Theyre a couple boats that I've been thinking about, I like the condor craft but i am unsure about it mainly because there isnt much information about them on the net,if anyone has had any experience with them good or bad would be great to know?

im looking for a fibreglass 16ft cabin boat that if I managed to get myself in a situation the boat is capable enough to handle it, I understand the seas are unforgiving ,so im happy waiting for the good days and not heading to far out.
Im going to get the boat fully checked over by professionals,and trial it before purchasing just for peace of mind etc

Be great to get some advice and opinions, be really appreciated, i thought id try the newbies corner and see how it goes anyway ,cherz for your help:)

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All of the boats you have mentioned are proven NZ boats with good history. The main thing you need to realise when buying an older boat is your actual buying 3 parts to a boat, the hull, motor and trailer. You may find a boat with a good hull but a rusty trailer or a motor that’s got problems.

Pays to get it well checked over by a professional marine mechanic. But at the end of the day just remember with older boats they are a hole in the water you will pour money into.
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Thanks for that mate
It's good to know they're all proven hulls,I wish my budget could allow me to get something newer definitely.
I may go that route and save up.
definitely going to pay to get them thoroughly inspected, especially for my first boat ,thanks for your advice mate
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Boat choice is very personal, so feel free to ignore me. I would question the value of a cabin on a small boat. Might be useful for a small child to curl up in, but they'll soon outgrow it and sitting in a cabin is a guaranteed way to get sea sickness if susceptible. They usually just end up as disorganised storage cupboards. Open boats (centre console; tiller steer etc) give a lot more space and 360 degree fishing. If the weather is that bad, stay at home. It wouldn't be much fun on any style small boat.   
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Originally posted by MB MB wrote:

Boat choice is very personal, so feel free to ignore me. I would question the value of a cabin on a small boat. Might be useful for a small child to curl up in, but they'll soon outgrow it and sitting in a cabin is a guaranteed way to get sea sickness if susceptible. They usually just end up as disorganised storage cupboards. Open boats (centre console; tiller steer etc) give a lot more space and 360 degree fishing. If the weather is that bad, stay at home. It wouldn't be much fun on any style small boat.   
yea they all valid points thanks mate , definitely open boats better for fishing etc..and they are nice and basic they look easier to maintain..I was thinking about a frewza beach launching dingy there for awhile , but i would like to do a few camping trips up the lakes etc with the kids ,thought a cabin boat would be better suited for that,keep us more protected from the chilly mornings down here etc
I do wonder if I got a cabin boat I may wish it was more open for fishing and regret it ,all things to think about though,cherz mate
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10K doesn’t go far and it’s got to reliable and safe or it’s not worth having. How about a Mac 420, there is one on trademe for 9K (I’m biased as I own a 570 so feel fed to disregard my thoughts). They are stable and easy to look after. They also bounce off the jetty well when you’re learning how to handle a boat. I have no seats to maximise room. On lake Taupo today it was flat as at lunchtime, by 7:00 pm there was a 2 foot chop sideways to our direction of travel. Even calm water chops up quick at times. Bad bits is they take a bit (lot) of spray over the front and handle like a barge. As mentioned, boat preferences vary. As another point, 80% of our boat’s use is me fishing on my own.
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Left field idea, an inflatable like the surf rescue boats. No sun shelter and a wet boat. However, 10K would buy a very good setup with money to spare. Tiller steering so less to go wrong, light so it’s easy to tow, launch and retrieve and stable as. You can still tow a biscuit for the kids and they can leap over and clamber back in with no issues. The simpler and cheaper you can make it the more chance of actually using it. Watch some old youtube clips of Ollie Craig.
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Originally posted by bigred1 bigred1 wrote:

Left field idea, an inflatable like the surf rescue boats. No sun shelter and a wet boat. However, 10K would buy a very good setup with money to spare. Tiller steering so less to go wrong, light so it’s easy to tow, launch and retrieve and stable as. You can still tow a biscuit for the kids and they can leap over and clamber back in with no issues. The simpler and cheaper you can make it the more chance of actually using it. Watch some old youtube clips of Ollie Craig.
thanks for the advice mate ,I did check the Mac 420s out a few years back definitely be a good safe ,tough boat and also inflatables definitely be good for the ocean how durable are they with being inflatable? that's one thing I'm unsure about with them.
Keeping it simple with a tiller steer with less to go wrong is something I may consider, but then there is no shelter ,the cabin idea is more for my kids definitely ,I really just want to get out and fish would be my main use for a boat,but then the camping trips are probaly out of the picture with a tiller steer with the weather down here,good wet weather gear could solve that though ,maybe could rig something up at the front of boat with a tarp or something to keep everything dry,will check out Ollie Craig though cherz mate
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If you are looking at a small economical boat with a bit of protection and some desk space, the Macs also come in forward steer with a small cuddy. Could get a reasonable one 2nd hand for around 10k.

Mac forward steer

Very stable, so good with kids, especially if it’s high-sided. No maintenance, but could still be wet.

(There is currently a Mac 3.6 tiller steer with 2022 motor and quad bike, both on same trailer for 11.2 in Timaru/Oamaru on TradeMe).
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Thanks for all the advice guys appreciate it,
I've been looking for and wanting a real boat for atleast 10years now lol,I ended up building a plywood 13ft flat bottom skiff 6years ago,its more a rowing boat that doesn't plane,pretty rough and ready 😆,its been good for getting around fishing in the river here for trout ,i have a tohatsu 5hp for it ,which will be an auxiliary on my new boat eventually.
I've been keen on the Mac boats would definitely want the 420 fisher if I went that way,they seem tough and safe, I know an older guy down catlins here that raves about them for sea fishing,really safe he reckons and plenty room for a 4 metre boat.

I quite like the look of the condor craft though, 16fts the size im after nothing to big,i think it will be a comfortable wee boat ,ive decided im a small cabin type of person,I like the stowage options for camping trips and the shelter for cold mornings trolling etc,I think there's still plenty of room for fishing 2 maybe 3 on this boat.
It's main use will be on the river here and now and then when I get a perfect day, out to sea inside 1km from shore for a blue cod, im not willing to risk it at all, I've heard stories of blue cod being caught a few 100metres offshore so maybe that's where I'll sit.
maybe I will buy a frewza pontoon for that in the future.
Im going to see what the marine specialists says about it anyway and I'll go from there,it's worth the cost to me to get it fully inspected.
Maybe I'll get put off by older fibreglass boats, will see what happens especially if it has any issues etc.

Thanks for all you comments though people.
All your points are really valid ,really appreciate it
Once I get the boat checked over if it turns out a negative experience I may just save up and wait for something better suited, cause I definitely dont want a lemon,
Surely people have had good times in older fibreglass boats??
Be good to hear some positive experiences🙂

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Mate , to be honest any of the old glass boats are pretty good . Just get them checked by someone who knows what they're looking for, and ask for the engine to be checked, compression etc . Anything you do buy if water pump, impellor had no proof of replacement get that done as well.
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Originally posted by lawabidingpoacher lawabidingpoacher wrote:

Mate , to be honest any of the old glass boats are pretty good . Just get them checked by someone who knows what they're looking for, and ask for the engine to be checked, compression etc . Anything you do buy if water pump, impellor had no proof of replacement get that done as well.
thanks mate that's good to hear, definitely getting it checked over fully before I buy ,awesome thanks for the advice
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i really liked all the boats i've
owned.

ramco dinghy
mac 420
sea nymph 14'6"
surtees 550
mac 420

i wouldn't own another sea nymph, despite
the great ride

i would own another mac 420 though. and they are about your price range.



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Originally posted by CanadianJohn CanadianJohn wrote:

i really liked all the boats i've
owned.

ramco dinghy
mac 420
sea nymph 14'6"
surtees 550
mac 420

i wouldn't own another sea nymph, despite
the great ride

i would own another mac 420 though. and they are about your price range.



thanks mate ..theres obviously alot of love for the mac boats ,I guess you can't beat them for saftey.
I'm a bit worried about the older models, since they are plastic ,ive heard stories of them cracking at the transom?
Maybe it's an easy fix .
Ive been looking at one with low sides,i think they can raise them up somehow?

They still on my radar though cheerz mate



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i think the transoms cracking were pretty rare. lots of people put bigger heavier motors on then they were rated for and drove them hard. the transom/engine mount pods were pretty robust and attached to the floor. even if it was it would be a pretty easy remedy per the guys at mac boats

i liked the original side height personally. i wouldn't raise them near the back.
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Thanks for all the help fellas,ive taken your advice and I'm currently in the process of buying a 1998 mac 420 with heaps of xtras ,so hopefully it will serve me well for my first real boat, I like the saftey factor of them and toughness like everyone says
Cherz for all the advice and help it's been bloody awesome 👍
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Well done. May you get many hours of pleasure.
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Thanks appreciate it,it's an older model so hopefully it's all sound and no issues with the hull.
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