First rock/beach casting rod advice

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    Posted: 28 Feb 2022 at 10:49pm
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Primary purpose is to cast 3oz (85g) breakaway sinker into the channel under the harbour bridge as far as I can.

I've read with a bit of practice I should be casting around 100m?

Secondary purpose is to go exploring around beaches/rocks and cast some bait out.

I know nothing about rods, but currently have my eye on this:

Kilwell BlackShadow 12ft
https://www.kilwell.co.nz/products/category/QKRJILFH-surf/BLS1203SU

Is this the good kind of cheap? Cheap and cheerful? Or cheap trash LOL

I've had this one recommended to me: Shimano Vortex 12ft
https://www.marine-deals.co.nz/shimano-vortex-surf-rod-12ft-10-15kg-3pc

I looked everywhere and couldn't find the recommended casting weight for this rod though, so not sure where 3oz sits in it's casting weight range.

What do you guys think? Is the Kilwell good enough? Should I be avoiding the cheapest rods and looking for something better?

Should I be avoiding 14ft rods as a beginner, and sticking to 12?
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I haven't done any surfcasting in years, but a 3oz sinker wouldn't get me to 100m. Hopefully someone more experienced than me can help
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3oz sinker is a bit light in my view, back when I was casting (20 odd years ago), 4oz was the go to. 

Rod technology have come a long way in the last 10 years or so, a cheap and cheerful rod (in the low end of the range) are really good these days.  If you are targeting pannie snapper and kawhai etc then any of the rod you've mentioned will do the job well.   

Also bear in mind that when you're fishing around the rocks, you can try straylining instead of casting the bait out really far.  There's a saying in fishing, fish your feet first.  I'm not saying one is better than the other, but it is good to keep your mind open to other fishing techniques and tailor different techniques to the condition on the day.  
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I'm not much of a surfcaster, but if distance is important, line and rigs make a big difference. You will cast further with braid, but it has it's downsides. It has poor abrasion resistance and because it doesn't stretch, it's harder to keep sinkers stationary in a tidal flow. Regardless of main line type, you should use a shock leader, 10lb breaking strain for every 1oz weight is a rough guide. Small baits and clipped down rigs are the way to go for distance. Big reels with long spools will also help.
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Thanks for the tips guys.

Didn't realise 3oz was too light for distance casting, so done some reconsidering.

Ended up getting a discount on the Tica Ezi Surf with 100-200g casting weight which is a bit heavier than the other rods I was looking at Thumbs Up


Pretty happy with the stated casting weight range. I'll be using 4oz for most of my needs but it can switch to 6oz if the conditions/location calls for it.

A little nervous how I'll go with a 14 footer but hopefully I can adjust and develop some casting technique.

Not worried if I can't hit 100m, I was asking that more out of curiosity.
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A 14ft will be fine once you've cast a few times.
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Go down to a rugby field and practice casting. Amazing how far a sinker can travel when line breaks.
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Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:

Go down to a rugby field and practice casting. Amazing how far a sinker can travel when line breaks.

Most honest words ever said on the internet Paul Big smile. Use a shock leader
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Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

[QUOTE=Pcj]Go down to a rugby field and practice casting. Amazing how far a sinker can travel when line breaks.

Most honest words ever said on the internet Paul Big smile. Use a shock leader. I'm pretty sure I have cast at least a dozen sinkers off Whatipu 'back in the old days' that have landed somewhere in the Australian desert.
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I use to use about 1 and 1/2 rod lenghts
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Did some practice casting.

Should my shock leader be short enough so I can cast without it in the rod eyes?

Currently it's about 2m and when I cast, I feel the braid-to-nylon FG knot go chug chug chug and catch a little on each eye, rather killing the cast

My plan was to use a nice long shock leader so I can use light braid. I have 0.15mm 22lb rated braid. Worried it's not strong enough to cast 4 or 5oz with shorter shock leader
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I doubt that braid is too light but I'd make the shock leader about 2 rod lengths or at least long enough so there are a few wraps on the spool when ready to cast. Post up a pic of your FG knot, I think it will be a little too bulky. What are you using for a shock leader Jo Bloggs? I would think 24kk mono would be good.
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80lb mono shock leader just cuz that's all I have currently. And only 2m.

The knot is a bit busted now so I'll retie.

I'll give 10m of 60lb mono a try next time I'm at a shop to buy more
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Back surf casting,10lb mainline and 20lb absorber.   nylon,no braid back then

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I’m comfortable using12lb baid with 4-5oz sinker. 100m is a massive cast even with small baits in my experience
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20lb main line to 80lb shock leader is a huge leap especially if you are considering any distance and that doesn’t matter how tidy your knots are.
Have you considered tapered leaders?
A couple of wraps on your reel then whatever you are comfortable with outside your rod to cast is all you need.
My lighter 14’ rod I’m running 12lb braid to 30lb tapered leader
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Aaarrrgh I really hate these join knots and the knot hitting the guides while casting.

Just gonna use a short enough leader that I can keep the knot outside the guides.

Will reevaluate when I get a snapoff during casting �£
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Are you going to try under harbour bridge in weekend. If so can easily take a drive there, and refine those knots. And can maybe show you how to get a bait to go a bit further out.
12 foot is good rod , 13 ft - 14 foot is better for distance. But 12 foot with right sort of cast with refined set up can get pretty close to where longer rods can get to.
When I used to fish there, long time ago, some  not so much atheletes were using 15 to 16 footers and could cast long way. The days of early hollow glass rods. I was fishing a 15 ft butterworth one piece then.
Have a graphite 10 foot graphite cheapish rod which would give even those long rods, run for their money with an eggbeater. Happy to come down and show  you if you are keen.
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Originally posted by mejobloggs mejobloggs wrote:

Aaarrrgh I really hate these join knots and the knot hitting the guides while casting.

Just gonna use a short enough leader that I can keep the knot outside the guides.

Will reevaluate when I get a snapoff during casting �£

OK 80lb is too heavy and having it outside of the guides isn't achieving the purpose of a shock leader. My advice is to go down to no more than 24kg and make sure there are a few wraps on the spool when you are set up to cast.
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By the way, you can cast 3 ounce a long way if line is light and bait is very streamlined.
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