Finding fish

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    Posted: 19 Apr 2021 at 6:16pm
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Hi

Something I’ve been pondering - as you do....

I’ve been fishing for a few years in the Waitemata and usually manage to catch a feed but I’ve noticed that there are a few fishermen who seem to be vastly better at catching fish than me and pretty much everyone else.

My theory is that they spend a lot of time looking for a fish and then a short time catching them.  Whereas I’m in such a mad rush to get the hook in the water that I spend almost no time looking and the whole time fishing.

Is there any merit to my theory that they trick is to put the effort into hunting the fish?  

Also - anyone got a screen shot of what snapper on the bottom look like on the sounder?  I’m mainly finding schools of bait fish I think.

Thanks very much.
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Quoting myself (ahem....):

Actual fishing technique isn’t complicated.  Work out where the fish are, and put something in front of them. 


How do we work out where the fish are?  This, again, isn’t tremendously complicated.  In all sorts of fishing, the fish we want will be where there’s the most food for the least relative effort.  Current, structure, food. 


I always drift fish with softbaits.  So a current of some sort will take me somewhere.  Eventually – or soon – it will take me to where there’s some structure, which will be aggregating food and providing cover for predatory fish such as snapper and kingfish.


Conversely, my main bait fishing method is straylining, where I position and anchor nearby structure, in current.  Then I get a major burley trail flowing.  I don’t drift to the customers, they come to me.  One of my present theories is that the fish I want to catch are not necessarily drawn to me by the burley, but they sure are drawn to the baitfish that accumulate in a heavy burley stream.


Current, I have found, means a lot in all sorts of ways.  It seems to me that predatory fish, and predator-scavengers like snapper, are most active and hungry when the tide is running the strongest.  That means that I favour the days with the most tidal variation.  It also means that half-tide is good, because that’s when the flow is strongest.  Look up and use the Rule of Twelfths for tide strength.  I have an idea that moon phase theories for fish catching may relate more to tide movement than any other factor.


Now, some things about structure:

1.     

               Waves   wrap around structure, and peak a little or a lot depending on whether the structure is deep or shallow.  I can pick reefs metres underwater from what waves are doing on the surface – often, from later checking the sounder on a bigger boat, reefs as small as ½ a metre.

 

2.       On NZ’s rocky coastlines, above-water structure often continues out to sea, and often for surprising distances.  Even without sonar, you can usually extrapolate shoreline features out to sea.

 

3.       “Fishing the wash” is not necessarily taking advantage of the white water providing predatory opportunity or bravery.  It may be more the uneven rockery below water  providing better predator stalking grounds and hence accumulating the predators we ourselves are after.

 

4.       Burley can accumulate, in both pieces and in scent, in structure a long way away from where it is dispensed.  I take advantage of the burley dispenser that is a fresh-laid craypot, and work out where the current may have taken its attractive smell.  The commercial cray boat can be your friend.

 

5.       Use different positioning with structure depending on what technique you’re using.  For drift fishing, you want to slide on by the side of structure, so as to get your bait or lure into a place where a predator will pounce out from shelter.  For straylining, you want to anchor in a place where your burley will fan out in the current from your concentrated point – your burley trail is a funnel that brings fish in to you.

 

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You'll see I have not commented on how to recognise what's showing on your FF.

Find a YouTube clip related to your particular make and model.

My post above this one is from the viewpoint that I am fishing from a boat or kayak with no FF.  And in fact, that's the majority of my fishing.

And another comment: even when you're in amongst it, some fishers are vastly better than the majority at catching; it seems to me that the difference is in bite detection and converting bites to hookups.  Thinking and practice....
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I missed this one. Some great advice there PJay, some things there too that I have learned.

Just with regard to burley, you need to be 100% sure that you are fishing in the burley trail. in areas of high current in pretty much any sort of depth, burley deployed on the surface may bring fish into the trail - but 50m away. I fish the Manukau harbour a lot and in any sort of current I put the burley on the end of my anchor chain, surface burley there is great for bringing in kahawai which is great if that's what you want to catch but gurnard won't find until it is well away from you baits. Likewise if the burley trail is going off to the side of your boat you're not going to get the benefits if your baits aren't there too.
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