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Hey guys, first time posting on this forum, however I have been reading the forum extensively for some time yet cant make my mind and I would appreciate your help/inputs Embarrassed

So I'm seeking advice for my first boat in Auckland. I'm not new to fishing but I am to boating specially the ocean. For the past few years I have been rock fishing and jumping onto mates boats (glass 5.3m) and charters. 

My budget for this is $10k and could stretch it to $13/15k all in (sounder, lifejackets, anchor, etc). 

I am thinking a little dinghy for two adults to go in-shore fishing around the Auckland harbour/gulf (waiheke, the noises, coromandel, etc), small enough to beach launch, and maybe take it up or down north of auckland over the weekends. After extensive reading I have somehow landed on getting a Smartwave 3500 with a 25hp 2 stroke. That is until I saw it in person.

I managed to talk the guys at Kev & Ian's about the Smartwave's and couldn't help to realise how tiny the 3500 feels (specially with the console installed), and how nice and almost 'perfect' the 4200 looks. Yet the latter has an extra problem (to me): is almost twice the weight (550/600kg vs 300/400kg) and the money to the sw3500 ($23k vs $10k (open boat)) and I dont want to get another towing car or change my current one. 

So after all that bla bla, what are your thoughts/experiences with the sw3500 for two adults to go fishing say Orakei to The noises and back? I feel i might be 'limited' to what I can/could do/go with the sw3500?

I've been told, you're gonna sweet 'on a fine day', but little boats struggle otherwise... I'd love to know what a 'fine day' means (other than the obvious of little to no wind/swell/chops) and what a 'rough day' is.

Last but not least, I do understand a bigger boat offer a 'nicer/dryer/softer ride', which brings me to my counter thoughts of getting a slightly longer/bigger RIB instead of the SW3500 for the same money?

Any thoughts, inputs, links, would be much appreciated from a complete newbie boatie. (I do have my 'skipper day' course approved and all)

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I have not had a Smartwave Boat but a mate does and I’m told they flex quite a bit. This may not be an issue for you but I suggest you ride in one before pulling the trigger.
BTW, weight is your friend on the ocean in terms of ride.
Some great Ali options out there.
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I would say the Noises would be real easy in 10 knots in the 3500 but a struggle in 15 knots and damn hard in 20. You need to really watch the weather forecast and also what changes occur while you're out there.
In a small boat especially take note of wind direction
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The natural progression here is rocks to kayak.
A lot cheaper a lot of fun and a lot of fish
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loved mine! would fish all around the firth and often surprise bigger boats with how far out we were on It, was planning a barrier trip with a couple of other mates, the guy who purchased it is a charter operator and has taken it to flat rock,
it has a new Suzuki long shaft 30hp 2t and flys along
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10~15kts wind against tide is fine but 20kts was a hand full but you wouldnr want to be out in that anyway
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Have you considered a 4m Fatcat?

A hell of a lot more room than a smartwave...



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Originally posted by Catchelot Catchelot wrote:

Have you considered a 4m Fatcat?

A hell of a lot more room than a smartwave...





went and tested one out, couldn't believe how wet they were, have a purchased a 4200 now
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Well it is CE class D so that implies winds up to 15 knots (personally I wouldn't want to be in a boat that small in the ocean over 10 (remember that 15 knots is more than twice the wind force as 10 knots) and wave height up to 0.3m.

Of course how rough it is depends on many factors such as wind vs tide direction, amount of fetch etc..  I would say that 10knots wind against tide coming back from the noises would be unpleasant on a boat that small.

The 4200 is Class C.
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Well it is CE class D so that implies winds up to 15 knots (personally I wouldn't want to be in a boat that small in the ocean over 10

 Hell yeah.. get a 10 knot and against current and you have one hell of a chop , long wet ride..
Which when boils down to it limits your places to go and number weather windows.
IE get a 10  northerly wind knot wind and out going tide off the bottom of Waiheke, down the side of Ponui etc and you have a rather uncomfortable situation....in a 5.5m well powered cabin boat.
Also get off maretai in the bottom end of tamaki straight, any tide with a 10 kn westerly..that can make a slow rough trip across from the bottom of Waiheke channel.

Smart waves/ mac s ok .. its the size of boat you are thinking of to get to the places you wish, in reasonable comfort on a regular basis.. /I would be looking more to at least 5m with a bit of shelter from wind , spray and sun.


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I took mine off Raglan many times. Launched it at Manu bay and out to 50m, 10km offshore. Rode back in 2m+ swells a few times, surfing over the waves and into the one in front.  Caught Albacore tuna, snapper and the single rat Kingfish out there. 

Been caught out in wind vs tide chop up to and in blows up to and past 20knots in places including Auckland harbour, the Tamaki Strait, Lake Tarawera, and off Whangamata.  Once in Nelson Haven with two adults (200kg) and 3 small kids on board. I put my whole family on it other times and once I gained confidence in it never felt like I wouldn't get home. 

It's the most confidence inspiring boat of that size I could imagine. 

It is only a 3.5m boat, and I think better suited to an open boat than CC, but it's imo the best option in that price range and size for sea worthiness. 



With a wide entry it will pound in a tight chop but you just slow down. In big waves not an issue and the massive stability and buoyancy mean that you will get home. Try pulling the bung with kids inside. Mine were worried the first time until they realised the water only gets ankle deep, if that. 

Highly recommended for your use. Mine was hull 007 so didn't have the refinements of some of the newer ones. 

Of course the 4200 is a bigger boat. 

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You mentioned tow weight, unless you have a nissan March or similar, a 600kg boat is not going to stress the car..
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I helmed one on the GBR while two blokes where casting poppers... when the skipper first suggested I load two big beeer swilling aussies onto it and  take em popper fishing my eye brows instinctively rose up, I was impressed by its stabillity and how it handled some of the wind against run out tide. certainly a safe little capable boat.
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Hey guys, thank you so much for your comments and advice in the process of finding my first dinghy. 

However by reading these plus some other private messages, it seems that the SW3500 might be 'too small', therefore 'not so safe' or 'water ready' as larger vessel would be, which I can understand. On the other hand though, the few 'positive' comments have been so far from people actually owning or past owners of this boat, which is quite interesting... 

Sadly Samartwave boats seem to be in high demand according to some Marine dealers around Auckland, so can't test them myself. Will try to go this Saturday to check out some places (covid permitting tho)


Thanks for the advice on trying Ali boats and those little catamarans! 
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Originally posted by Catchelot Catchelot wrote:

Have you considered a 4m Fatcat?

A hell of a lot more room than a smartwave...




No, I did not know about these guys! I have spoken to Blair (owner) and will go on a test drive this Saturday (covid permitting)

These look cool! 
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Originally posted by OneWayTraffic OneWayTraffic wrote:

I took mine off Raglan many times. Launched it at Manu bay and out to 50m, 10km offshore. Rode back in 2m+ swells a few times, surfing over the waves and into the one in front.  Caught Albacore tuna, snapper and the single rat Kingfish out there. 

Been caught out in wind vs tide chop up to and in blows up to and past 20knots in places including Auckland harbour, the Tamaki Strait, Lake Tarawera, and off Whangamata.  Once in Nelson Haven with two adults (200kg) and 3 small kids on board. I put my whole family on it other times and once I gained confidence in it never felt like I wouldn't get home. 

It's the most confidence inspiring boat of that size I could imagine. 

It is only a 3.5m boat, and I think better suited to an open boat than CC, but it's imo the best option in that price range and size for sea worthiness. 



With a wide entry it will pound in a tight chop but you just slow down. In big waves not an issue and the massive stability and buoyancy mean that you will get home. Try pulling the bung with kids inside. Mine were worried the first time until they realised the water only gets ankle deep, if that. 

Highly recommended for your use. Mine was hull 007 so didn't have the refinements of some of the newer ones. 

Of course the 4200 is a bigger boat. 


WOW! that is nice feedback, you certainly have pushed the 'limits' of this little boat, have you? I wonder, do you still have/own this boat or have moved to another type/bigger boat since?

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Originally posted by Big -Dave Big -Dave wrote:

You mentioned tow weight, unless you have a nissan March or similar, a 600kg boat is not going to stress the car..

LOL haha, I have a Corolla GX HAtchback 1.8L that according to AA it can only tow 450kg MAX! - however it rates the Yaris 1.3 up to 550kg!  Confused - https://www.aa.co.nz/cars/owning-a-car/towing/towing-weights/toyota/

I'm sure those figures are conservative, but if anything goes wrong while towing a slightly heavier boat, im sure the insurance company will give me trouble!
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Originally posted by spin king spin king wrote:

loved mine! would fish all around the firth and often surprise bigger boats with how far out we were on It, was planning a barrier trip with a couple of other mates, the guy who purchased it is a charter operator and has taken it to flat rock,
it has a new Suzuki long shaft 30hp 2t and flys along
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10~15kts wind against tide is fine but 20kts was a hand full but you wouldnr want to be out in that anyway

that's very good to know! do you still have it? or have moved to a bigger boat?
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Hi Quiltro, I sold it four and a bit years ago when moving back to the SI, a decision that I regretted! I built a little 2.4m dinghy which obviously was no replacement but good for fishing Canty lakes etc. 

I also had a family of five with growing kids. I am currently building a 5.3m boat from glass/epoxy/plywood composite. 

It really depends what you want to do with it. Obviously no 3.5m boat would be the first choice for trips to the Noises, but most of your intended locations are closer to shore. If you are willing to wait for good weather you will have a lot of fun with it, and catch fish. I wouldn't cross the Manakau or any bar with it, but I know for a fact you can launch at Manu and get out West. The guy I sold it to planned to keep it at a Waiheke bach, and I took it over there once. For the Firth, Mercury bay, harbour fishing, Coromandel beach launching etc it will work if well set up.

Really the only conditions to be aware of is tight, steep closely spaced chop. This isn't dangerous if you keep the bow into it, but it will be uncomfortable, and you might get wet. I once took my daughter and MIL out 10km off Raglan and got caught with a breeze change funnelling over the mountain. Waves up to 1m and close together. It wasn't fun but we did get home, and never felt in danger. Little water in the boat. I always went out in the morning after that. 

There are advantages to a smaller boat. It was so cheap to run with a 4s that I never had to budget trips. Always had plenty of range on one 12l tank. I had more fishing room than a 5m cuddy and could tow it and launch it anywhere. If you have growing kids, or want to go out after Marlin then it's not going to be for you, but for fishing I wouldn't swap it for a RIB. Maybe an Arancia for the rocks. 

The reasons not to buy a dinghy as a first boat would be: kids need a place to sleep, want to get out further, and have the budget to pay for it. If you don't mind dropping 30k on a 5m then go for it. You could get a 4m for 10-15k or so and this would also be an option. 


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Does any of you guys have experience with both the Mac360 and the SW3500 and is able to give a comparison between the two?
Got an old Mac with CC at the moment but have always been looking at the SW wondering if it would be an upgrade in any way.
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Hey I've had both. The mac 360 was a great boat super stable etc but the sides are lower than the smart wave, and much much wetter!

The smartwave is much better layed out, small anchor well, the bin seating at the back, place for ya fuel tank, higher sides, better dryer ride, still super stable.

IMO the smartwave is the better boat, the only thing is buy one with the 20inch long shaft transom mine was only the 15inch and did used to get a wee bit of water over the back if you slowed down to fast

I'd own another one.






Originally posted by BigEarn BigEarn wrote:

Does any of you guys have experience with both the Mac360 and the SW3500 and is able to give a comparison between the two?
Got an old Mac with CC at the moment but have always been looking at the SW wondering if it would be an upgrade in any way.
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