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Finally getting  back to boating after a 20 year stint raising my business. Am strongly leaning towards the Surtees 6.7m Sportfisher or Weekender (so we can overnight at de Surville Cliffs or Tom Bowling Bay).  We live on th peninsula.   There are so many options with Surtees' boats. 

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What options turned out to be great,what not so good and what do you regret not adding?

Is your boat an alloy drum machine or has the hull noise been reasonably dampened with the cabin lining and tube mat? 

Is the water ballast system all it is cracked up to be and does this feature create any unusual noise or movement at anchor? 

This forum seems a great way to learn from other so would greatly appreciate your input.  This is my first post so be gentle. 

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Hi Needalife.... welcome aboard.....

i have a 6-5mt Mklay H/T which is enclosed, the wife and i spend a lot of time at Xmas out the back of Gt Barrier diving swimming and just lazying around we can get into places the bigger boats cant by using two anchors so we are left to ourselves...

a Mklay is built very tough and its finish is way above the rest hence you pay a bit more for one of these, the inside cab on mine is completely carpeted they come with a swab that fills in between the bunks so you have a huge double bed....

ive owned it now for 5 years and used it for 965hrs thats over 12000km and its still as solid as a rock....

cant say that for the outboard but to be fear i think it ws a bit on the small size for a boat that weighs more than a ton on the water fueled up, plus i made it produce a air lock in the oil feed which didnt help things.. i have just repowed it with a new 200hp Opitmac, im not a big fan of going like a bat out of hell anymore so tend to cruise at 20knots which is pleasent for the wife and me now that im reaching 60years......

i carpeted the back area when i purchased it at a cost of about $100 and it still looks like it did when i brought it, but in saying that i water blast it after every trip, ive stood on that tube mat for a day and its not very comfie compared to carpet.......

i cart a 150lt cooler bin plus it has a 75lt livebait tank in the transom and i have a 2 person rubber boat which slips onto the roof, by the way you can jump up and down on the roof its solid as.......  

trim tabs are a must on hard tops and this hardtop being inclosed is heavier still......    

      

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Hi Need

The 6.7 is a great boat, i have had mine for 3 years.

The water ballast works very well 3 people on 1 side pulling up a dredge is no problem at all.

I saw the weekender at the show and if it was around when i got mine that what i would have got.As i am sure Lethal would agree it would be alot warmer in winter with the doors closed.

The only thing i do not like is the foredeck, just not enough room, but it is only a problem for the anchor boy(not me)

Any other questions give me a ring after 6pm any night 09 8174202

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I was looking at their site (surtees) last night and I see that you can buy the doors as an add on now.
Im planing on getting a 5.5 and its too small for them

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If I was to buy a new one doors would be a must. Its the only thing I would add to mine.

It is definitely the best riding ali boat I have been in. How much of that is the diesel motor? I'm not sure but its a soft riding boat.

Water ballast is a great thing. I was unsure about it before I got the boat but yeah I'm a convert now.

My boat hasnt got a lot of the Surtees extras but I am very happy with it the way it is.
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Just browsing around today while the weather is rubbish and noticed this thread.

I have had my Surtee's 6.1m Barcrusher for two years now.  I spent a whole year researching what boat would suit me, I had the time and patience only because I was using a mate's boat! I wanted a fishing machine that could take me (and others) out to G. Barrier when the weather permits, but small enough to launch and retrieve quickly for an evenings fish in the Tiri channel too. It had to be good looking, I don't like the ugly-duck approach and comfortable when I take any kids on board. I needed to be able to overnight in it, although realistically only a few times a year. The Barcrusher is awesome and I am glad to say was a great choice, no regrets. See through livie tank (water inflow pump needs minor improving), sun/rain shade, wide sides to sit on while fishing (gunwhales??), totally clear area to fish from, fold away seats, drain away sink area/galley, ballast is great especially when a 100kg+ mate comes aboard - no spending the day clinging onto a listing boat.....the perfect fishing machine that looks the bizzo too. The Nyalic coating top-side is fantastic. It has functional 'hardcore' stuff as well as a few comfort touches . Launch and retrieve easily by myself.

I too would like to trial some doors - mainly for winter and overnighting reasons. Not sure if doors would diminish the clear fishing zone - as this was the first 'must' for me - i.e. I hate any clutter, toe trippers and stuff when fishing, give me clean efficiency and room to walk around - kind of like the difference between flying Economy class and Business. I use tube mat as I enjoy getting into it when fishing, often going out a day or two apart, so a full wash down each time I certainly do! I had the interior 'flocked' and it's really nice, a must. The electric capstan is perfect - I use a heavy Kiwene anchor with 7m+ of heavy duty chain, since using  this I have not dragged or lost an anchor.

I looked at both the Ramco's and McLay's - both great boats too without a doubt. The Surtee's I personally like the look of, and with the engine (150hp Yamaha 2 Str. at a good deal) all completed was about $62k.

My next addition may be trim tab's/stabilisers for the inevitable wind and choppy conditions around Tiri etc. I have not been on aboat with them, so that's on the list of things to try this year.

 

Hey Lethal - I will be getting a second anchor to use just as you show - what do you use, just a small grapnel for the stern? And can you ellaborate on the benefits of trim tabs please?

 

If you want come around and have a close scrutiny of 'Espresso' Needalife - PM me, I live on the Hibiscus Coast.

 

Oh yeah - I never got the cute blonde that appears in most boat advertisements?????? Not yet anyway.

 

Cheers

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Quote: Originally posted by Espresso on 25 January 2006

Oh yeah - I never got the cute blonde that appears in most boat advertisements?????? Not yet anyway.

Cheers

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Maybe you should have brought a McLay then Espresso, it seemed to work for Red Vigor.


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Hi Needalife, cant add much more from what Bushie and Expresso have said other than stop wasting your time looking at others and place an order with Surtees. I have the 6.1 Barcrusher Xtra and had it 3 yrs now and done over 800hr in it, lot of it in some pretty narly conditions, have too down here no islands to hide behind. We're looking to uprgrade to the 6.7 this year possibly in the Barcrusher Xtra configuration ( more cockpit room) and now leaning more to  diesel to power it although the Weekender is also in the running except I would have them lengthen it to at least 7m feel the door close's up the cockpit too much. Take Expresso's offer and go for ride you wont be disappointed.

dohboy if you were to use a dummy anchor line from bow to the cockpit your cabin boy wouldnt have to get up on the bow. I have made a device similar to a ladder which I thread on to the anchor line and then clip the dummy bow rope to it, this allows me to do all my anchoring from the cockpit also use a windy bouy to lift anchor as well. No more getting wet on sloppy days lot safer as well.

Lethal new motor looks great, how do you like it compared to the EFI model.

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hahhhaaaa - good call!

 

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Mines the 6.7 with a duckboard. The trim tabs are a must on the boat. Makes the ride a lot better when the wind leans it over
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Quote: Originally posted by Bushpig on 25 January 2006
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Mines the 6.7 with a duckboard.

And four bungs. Or was that five?

 

Nobody has ever come up with a great idea after a second bottle of water.


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Come on Bender you cant tell us all that you havent forgotten to but the bungs in at least once, it can happen to even the best of us.
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Of course I have. But Mr Bushie has now done this twice in less than a year, so providing us with fodder for michael-extraction.

I have to say that the bung arrangement on his boat is a pain in the backside and it's inevitable that they will be left out. There are five of them across the back and two of them are hidden behind the trim tab/transducer  mounting plates and are very hard to access.

And why, oh why, oh why have a 6.7m boat with a diesel in it on a skid trailer. There's only one word for it - insanity.

Nobody has ever come up with a great idea after a second bottle of water.


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Yeah there are a few bungs. First time out forgot the one in the wet locker! But I only use two - the 'proper' bung at the back bit and in the wet locker, which gets filled with fish blood etc, sometimes. The other two at the rear being air bounancy tanks dont get undone, so I have never had a bung problem - oh except once when I put it in for a service and 'they' left one loose and they threw away the other one - made for a heavy trip home from the first fishing session! Moron's.

The bung in the cabin up front hardly ever gets opened. So really it's just the two at the back and since they're within a foot of eachother - even after a couple of beers, shouldn't cause a problem?  All I remember are the 4 B's, Beer, Bait, Burley and Bung. I actually like the bungs being accessed from inside the boat - once at the ramp after retrieve, undo both and the bait tank from inside and it all drains out - also if I have got a heap of blood/gts in the wet locker, a little loosening of the bung to fill it up, then put the bilge pump into it and pump out as burley! Works great with Kingfish goo. I also like the thought that IF I (n)ever have a problem with the bung I can access it from inside the boat rather than having to go for a swim - sometimes not a nice thought in winter, fishing by myself in a choppy sea with a 3.2m tide running = bad recipe.

 

It was the best value for money at $62k I could find- and yes I would like to try the weekender one day.

 

 

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Thanks everbody, struck a rich seam.  Thanks Lethal for the advice and the great photo.  I was raised on wood and glass and felt a bit aprehensive seeing your anchorage.  Maybe with an alloy boat of such build strength I might be less inhibited.  Still, I think the Surtees boats have captured by soul. 

Thanks also to PdaS, Dohboy, Bushpig, Espresso and Tzer for your comments and encouragement.  I can see you all find it hard to find things to criticise if your primary focus is the number of bungs!  Not suggesting this isn't a problem, just not something that would make me reconsider.

O.K. Tizer, you win.  I'll stop looking and order the sweet thing.  Won't need the Blond,  Espresso- although she would look great on your boat!  Have one of my own.  Since she will be cast in the role of 'anchor-boy' I will refrain from telling her about the tight foredeck.  Surtees claims you can do it all from the hatch and that is all she needs to know.  Right?

I take from your responses that I need not worry about hull slap or  stiff movement irritations so I'll stick with the options and get the trim tabs.  I too was interested in the choice of Optimax over Etec, etc.  Care to elaborate.  Once again, cheers. 

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