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    Posted: 16 May 2016 at 10:04am
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What we thought was correct. Smile
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/201800847/nz's-catch-nearly-three-times-official-count-study

The Commercial sector has been under reporting their catches for decades - Cry
And it was not MPI's fault...... No mention that MPI is an ineffectual manager of fisheries, biosecurity, our food supply - I have many examples.
Wake up Hon Nathan Guy, this report means you need to take action and not put cameras on fishing boats.
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In the Herald today.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11639478
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And here are NIWA rubbishing it already

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11639596
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Originally posted by Kevin.S Kevin.S wrote:

And here are NIWA rubbishing it already

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11639596

And Sandfords.
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So its only fair to question the methodology when the results are in favour of commercial fishermen? 

The comments from Prof Matthew Dunn seemed quite pragmatic and fair, the second half of the article. NIWA did seem a little defensive, but when you get the likes of Greenpeace shouting conspiracy and coverup at every step you would be a little defensive also.
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I believe under the QMS, commercials have a legally built in allowance over and above their catchable quota of 500 tonnes industry wide annually for undersize mortality. I believe there is also no requirement for them to keep any fish not allocated to their quota. Meaning this non quota species can be and is usually dumped and will almost surely be already dead when dumped. Total guano.
I apologize if I am wrong and stand to be corrected in the interests if fairness.
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Listening to the author of the paper this morning on RNZ it seems that some of the more critical (of the commercial sector) information was in several papers from MPI that had never been released.
Got to question how objective MPI are when they don't release information (that they've produced) that is critical of the commercial sector.
 
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Volker Kuntzsch from Sanfords is a bit of a character isn't he. He seems to think that the possibility that the studies of Rec take in SNA1 might be under-reporting by a few 100 tonnes etc (if they are being under-reported at all) is more important than the commercial take being cumulatively millions of tonnes, and several 100's of %  larger than reported. Sort of seems like he might have his priorities a bit mixed up doesn't it??
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One thing I did notice on the report was the species that the bulk of the under reporting were open ocean species....hoki, squid, barracouta and southern whiting etc. so that's not your snapper etc inshore fishing operation, is it?
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is this a win or just another fence the industry will knock over and carry on same old same old
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Originally posted by Capt Asparagus Capt Asparagus wrote:

One thing I did notice on the report was the species that the bulk of the under reporting were open ocean species....hoki, squid, barracouta and southern whiting etc. so that's not your snapper etc inshore fishing operation, is it?

come on CaptA always pushing to side the real facts, what did you want to see a run down on snapper while these guys are talking about the state of the fishery over all, i never saw a lot of fish included in this because its about the fishery as a whole not one species.

back to the real crust of the mater,
lying, under reporting, dumping, papers not released.selling for cash,
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Another interesting link on this-----thespinoff.co.nz
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The scariest part is the seeming admission from MPI that they have been deliberately hiding the information from the Public. If those statements are true and put alongside some of their more recent statements about commercial waste etc you could possibly find where they have deliberately lied to the NZ public. If that was the case their should be a whole bunch of sackings going on and the minister should be all over them like a rash. Bet that doesn't happen though!
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A bloody outrage this is.
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Originally posted by Tagit Tagit wrote:

The scariest part is the seeming admission from MPI that they have been deliberately hiding the information from the Public. If those statements are true and put alongside some of their more recent statements about commercial waste etc you could possibly find where they have deliberately lied to the NZ public. If that was the case their should be a whole bunch of sackings going on and the minister should be all over them like a rash. Bet that doesn't happen though!

This appears to be the problem. MPI tried to cover it up.
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om newsralk zb news at 6.00pmNathan Guy said that 96%of targeted species were above the total stock.Presume he is alking about deep water species??
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nathan guy has little credibility in so much as very little in  regard the direction of our fishery has come from the minister. Be interesting what he says about this media release.
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Originally posted by Tagit Tagit wrote:

The scariest part is the seeming admission from MPI that they have been deliberately hiding the information from the Public. If those statements are true and put alongside some of their more recent statements about commercial waste etc you could possibly find where they have deliberately lied to the NZ public. If that was the case their should be a whole bunch of sackings going on and the minister should be all over them like a rash. Bet that doesn't happen though!


Is all a bit of a bad joke alright.
Withholding information because it may damage our reputation??! WTF??
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It will be interesting to see how the likes of that weasel Nathan Guy will be able to drop the "world class quota system" phrase
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The new Phrase will be deny ,deny deny.  There is no way they could agree with the report as it would make MPI look bad they believe so much in there  "World Class Quota  system that they cant see the trees for the Wood.
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