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Just wondering where all the koherus have gone..!! Used to see them around wharf and other locals spots in auckland. But havt seen one or caught one for ages.!! Any one experiencing same thing?
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Hi Sabin, they are probably Jack mackeral (yellowtail mackeral) rather than koheru. They are a common catch from wharves this time of year at night under lights. Give that a go and see if it works. Orakei wharf (Kelly Tarlton's) used to be quite effective at night.
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Na smudgee am talking about the original koheru which actually looks like the miniatute version of kingie.
Used to catch them and use it as livies..!! But very hardly see them on the usual spots.. there are yellowtails around.. but not in as many numbers..!! heaps of herrings though..!
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OK, koheru appear rather blue when you catch them. The ones with the yellow are Jacks. Don't underestimate Jacks as a bait. I've seen them outfish koheru significantly.
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Can someone post up pics of koheru, Jack macks and slimey/English macks, so there can be an easy comparison for folks reading this thread?
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Koheru.


yellowtail.


slimey mackrel



Hi CA, this is my understanding and the closest picture i could find..
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Those pics look spot on to me. You have caught Koheru in the Hauraki Gulf Kingfishers.?
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Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

Those pics look spot on to me. You have caught Koheru in the Hauraki Gulf Kingfishers.?


yes.. but roughly around 3years back..!!
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Very interesting Kingfishers. I have never seen one there but that could be lack of observation on my part and maybe have caught them and not noticed. What areas did you find them when last seen there.

Have seen Koheru in a fish shop but they were quite big and looked slightly different to the pic.

Couple of summers back i caught a fish in the Manukau. Looked very similar to the Koheru in your pic.
Sent it to Te Papa. They decided it was a aberrant blue mackeral without the zig zag markings.

Or is it possible it was Koheru,or something else altogether. 
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I should never have doubted you Sabin! Well done.
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That is great to have those pics. The koheru I have usually seen have been over or around rocky bottom/reef or islands, seldom over a sandy clear or inshore mud type area. They tend to be a little more highly coloured than that picture, with a bit more of a yellow tinge in the tail
Another common mackerel is the blue mackerel. I will try to go online with a non iPad, see if I can load a pic of one of them too.
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Ive caught koheru up around Toaktu peninsula land bsaed...
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What areas did you find them last..??

The last time i saw them was around land based spot in westcoast.!!
Used to be plenty around/usually saw them at low tide.


But they were quite big and looked slightly different to the pic.!!

The picture doesnt do complete justice to the colours..! The one i have seen/caught up in auckland are small ones. The biggest one i caught was up in coramandel(mussel barge) was the size of an average kahwhai.

Or is it possible it was Koheru,or something else altogether.?

99.99%sure it was koheru.
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The blue mackerel is the same as the slimy/slimey/english mackerel above.

The koheru is the commonest species of the Decapterus scads in NZ. There are one or possibly two more Decapterus species in NZ, but they are uncommon. The koheru is also one of the largest Decapterus species in the world. It is uncommon in the inner Gulf and prefers more oceanic coastal waters (they use to be a regular catch at Marsden Point).

Jack Mackerel are one of at least three similar species in NZ. The species pictured above is common in inshore waters and is most active at night.
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Kingfishers, The common northern inshore jack mackerel is Trachurus novaezelandiae and is often brownish / yellowish / greyish on the back while the more southern Trachurus declivis can be quite blue and almost steely looking all over.

There is some info here for starters - http://fs.fish.govt.nz/Doc/5478/JMA_06.pdf.ashx

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Will dig up pics of the one i caught in the Manukau and check lateral line.
So if they are also West coast could the Koheru enter the Manukau at times.
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[QUOTE=Craig Worthington] Kingfishers, The common northern inshore jack mackerel is Trachurus novaezelandiae and is often brownish / yellowish / greyish on the back while the more southern Trachurus declivis can be quite blue and almost steely looking all over =QUOTE]

Koheru -Decapterus Koheru
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Then what is this. It is not what I used to catch as "Koheru", I called it a blue mackerel...

If it is a koheru, it was in a school of kahawai and slimey macks off needle rock at whiti last summer. The slimeys were good size....


The jacks we got the other day for livies were...
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.... a little critter whose view of the world was most unsettling, but sadly brief, winding up shortly later as he did inside a kingi :-)
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Top pic = koheru

second pic = slimey/blue/english mackeral

bottom pic = Jack mackeral/yellowtail mackeral

I've seen koheru in the gulf but not very often.
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