Proposed TARC

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    Posted: 21 Sep 2014 at 12:51pm
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The day after the election and I see this update on Richard Bakers FB page:

"Beware a proposal that changes the Fisheries Act to introduce a Total Allowable Recreational Catch and removes the current legal requirement to allow for the publics interest in the fishery.

A TARC is legal mechanism to constrain an increasing population with ongoing reductions in daily bag limits, while guaranteeing private shareholders commercial interests access to the fishery."

They forgot to mention this little doozer in the election campaign when talking up marine parks. I hope everybody has plenty of energy for the fight because it's gonna be three more years of this ****.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish caught will we realise we can't eat money.
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Are we really surprised?
As fishermen we like a baited hook where the barb shows , politicians on the other hand like to hide the hook and this being an election year they as usual used a lot of bait but hid the hooks better than usual.

But any way so long as Peter Goodfellow is happy thats the main thing..... well from Nationals point of view anyway.
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Beached as Bro...... this is for the Political forum .... I'll leave it here for a while so people get the message then I'll move it.
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More to come on this TARC issue I guess
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Perhaps just lock it and leave it here as a notice?
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish caught will we realise we can't eat money.
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No, people will soon get the idea
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yep we may get a REC only fishing area but this new threat will be a trade off for TARC "Total Allowable Recreational Catch"

same as if your Allowable catch was put into the Quota system, just a new way of controlling our catch..

the Fishing Companies want RECs restrained, we are the thorn in their side,

think its time they realized this country could make more from the inshore fishery if the fish stayed in the sea and only the local market was to be supplied,

 



 
Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing
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Any proposed change that removes the requirement for the Minister to "reasonably allow for" rec fishing interests before setting the TACC has to be stopped in it's tracks as it's simply the beginning of the end for recreational fishing as we know it.

In a US study, rec fishing was shown to be 68x more valuable per kilo of fish caught than commercial so it's reasonable to assume there'd be a similar factor here. It follows that economically we'd be far better off protecting and growing our non-commercial fishery.

It's definitely an issue that LegaSea have their sights on.
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Tip the scales number 5,value recreation fishing

A US study found the value of recreationally -caught fish was $152 per pound compared to $2.20 for a commercially caught fish.

it all there on "legasea' tip the scales web site.
lucky to have been given the 16 page document
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this is a interesting move,
so all complaints and anything to do with the sate of our fisheries is to be hidden in the Political thread as if it doesn't matter????
Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing
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No Lethal ya bloody Muppet!

There's nothing interesting about it at all and it's not a conspiracy.

And while it DOES matter, it's just that many on here have had a gutsfull of the constant banging on about the same old stuff day after day after day after day day after day after day after day... (get my drift?) from a handful of members  in the Briny Bar

And so all that political stuff can live where it should. Right here in the political forum.

Obviously there'll be a few topics that are in a grey area but Captain Smudge will sort it and if he can't we can always consult the new King William or his fairy princess, Bull, for their view.
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obviously there will be some grey areas,
if "how was the fishing in the 90s" is aloud to continue then where are you going to draw the line????
no difference to whats being said in here.... 

the point i was try to make is, TARC is now the new threat to our fishery and if it proceeds it will course no end of problems for us,
when LegaSea come looking for support no one will even know what the hell TARC is or will care...
Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing
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The MPI / commercial proportional allocation agenda has smouldered along for the past 20 years. It's not only that the corporates would seek to constrain the recreational effort which naturally increases as the population grows, or participation rates increase as the fishery rebuilds and the average fishers catch increases and results in more people going fishing, the real hook is that they want to cement their current potentially variable TACC as a fixed / guaranteed share of the overall TAC.

The economic value of recreational fishing is going to be very important in this discussion.
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Originally posted by pjc pjc wrote:

Tip the scales number 5,value recreation fishing

A US study found the value of recreationally -caught fish was $152 per pound compared to $2.20 for a commercially caught fish.

it all there on "legasea' tip the scales web site.
lucky to have been given the 16 page document



$7000 for 7 fish...

http://i.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/10519730/That-sinking-feeling-I-spent-7000-to-catch-seven-fish

   
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So with the recreational spend we should regain our 98% share
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That will never happen while the commercials have an "in" with the government....
The prospect of introducing a TARC shows just how far "in" they are...
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Come on guys. The ranting from the regulars as it has so eloquently been put, pointed to this sort of maneuvering a long long time ago. Why the surprise now?
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No surprises. They'll need to get this stuff in early so it's all forgotten by the next election. 
When they look at it, they have two choices in a growing population with a finite resource - either ring fence the recreational take or reduce the commercial take as the population grows. I suppose the other 3rd option is to leave well alone and let the fishery decline. The answer is to lock us in a model of ever decreasing circles. It makes sense because we are still the easier target. I just don't like it. I'd prefer to see them implement the stuff that's been talked about to help actually rebuild the fishery. I'd also like to be 6 foot 2 and better at dancing.  Let's see where we are in a few more years.
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There is a 3rd choice as well JW - let the fisheries recover to the point where the recreational take can't damage them (for the forseeable future at least). Sort of like it was before unrestrained commercial fishing driven by a get rich quick, rape and pillage attitude destroyed the fisheries in the first place. We are where we are today because of commercial overfishing and the only thing that makes it difficult to remedy this is the ridiculous decision to 'gift' our fisheries to commercial interests. 
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this TARC will it possibly require us to complete a catch return for every trip and also show what was released/mortality rate?
for this to be introduced would us recreational fisherman need to be given our own area as suggested inshore fisheries for recreational only,otherwise how would mpi distinguish our possible damage to what commercial have done?

I do not know hence why asking.
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