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    Posted: 23 May 2011 at 9:02am
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I had some annoying things happen yesterday out on the water with my 70ESL Johnson... sometimes its a little bit hard to start and sometimes is starts first turn of the key. The other issue was it seemed to have a miss/sluggish at low revs when taking off and a bit of a knock sometimes... once it was up to speed it was absolutely fine. Does anyone have any idea what this could be?
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 Check the fuel bowl for water??????????????
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thanks mate i will check that... i thought it might be an electrical issue but i checked the battery and its readying 12.84 volts which is fine and i recently replaced the ignition coils.
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How old is it?
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1974 its had a full recon and has approx 60 hours on the clock since then
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Why did you replace ignition coils? Outboards should not knock...

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i replaced the coils because they were cracked... as for the knocking it could have just been a miss but main issue was the sluggishness at low revs and the not always starting first turn of the key.
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 Also last time i had a compression test all 3 cylinders were at 110 psi
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This might help, if not - let me know
 
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I think i might take the boat for a run on the river and take some video and see if i can replicate the problem, it might be easier than trying to explain it. As for the plugs i did get them all replaced a few months ago when i got the motor serviced.
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I spent thousands trying to get an old johnson going properly - unsuccessfully, then the next owner spent more money then the crankshaft broke and then he threw it away and thats what I should have done and thats what I advise everyone else with old outboard motors to do
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unfortunatley i cant afford a new motor now
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I just got over some intermittent issues with my Johnson 140. Turned out it all came down to a dodgy connection in the main wiring loom plug (big red round plug on my motor). Cleaned that out, and tightened up the female plugs a little and now she runs sweet.
 
That said, in the process we changed the coils, new starter motor, new power pack, cleaned out the carbs, all with no resolution. Oh the joys of intermittent problems.
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its weird cause i tried the motor at home last night and started it 6 times in a row first turn of the key... the only thing i did was put in a new 3/8" inch fuel line and new inline fuel filter. Im going to take it for a run on the river and see how it goes.
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I know I sound like a 'big meany negative guy' but these motors were just not made to last, every single part is well past it's use by date, every wire is brittle, every connection is corroded, every moving part has been stressed and will eventually fail - I know it sounds harsh but if you cant afford a newish motor then you absolutely can't afford an old one.
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it had $1200 spent on a recondition not long before i got it so its not like it has all the original parts...
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$1200 can't be a recondition... Too cheap. Do you have a list of what was done?

The motors themselves are a pretty strong engine. It's usually the elctronics and ignition that give problems. Coils, stators, powerpacks etc...
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1200 is pretty cheap for a recondition we had a 50 Johnson done and that set us back about 3000 maybe even a little more. Hopefully you can get it sorted out !!
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as I said, I don't want to be the wet blanket, so I'm just keeping the conversation going, I think the fact that it's had $1200 spent on it and it still doesn't go properly kinda proves my point - maybe?
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the work he had done on it was as follows

Motor has had new bearings, gaskets, seals, pistons and rings, Leg was reconditioned approximately 2 years ago, Water impeller and gear box oil checked only 2 months ago

so it wasnt a full recon but did have a fair bit done to it.


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