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    Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 11:46am
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We hope to have the Jig Star Starwalker stickbaits available in a few months but I am in a quandry as to having them factory rigged or not?
Factory hooks and rings are never going to be adequate for the experienced guys here and are likely to BE thrown away.  On the other hand, newbies won't have to worry about having to buy hooks and rings just to get the lures working.
The likely cost savings could be around $5.
 
What you you think - YEAH or NAY?
 
 
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Price point would have a lot to do with it I reckon Chris, most of the stickbaits rigged are under $50.

 A lot of these rigged lures have owner hooks or VMC at least, on them, which are pretty good and I dont bother changing them usually for inshore fishin. The split rings look a little dodgy on some of the rigged lures but only if you are chasin the big boys.

Above $50 most stuff is Japanese anyway, and unrigged. I dont think whether a stickbait or popper is rigged or not has ever really come into my purchase decision, more whether I think it is gonna be that particular colour and action thats gonna get me the fish on the day (usually is just a theory and has feck all to do with what they actually bite).

Still if you are wanting to sell in any volume, then probably rigged and at the lower price point is the way to go (River2sea etc). Already there are signs here of people buying high end lures and gear and getting bored and realizing its not for them, judging by the greater frequency of 'hard to get but cast a few times' lures popping up for sale.

 Lower price point (under $50) and rigged, might get those lures stocked by your average store rather than the more specialist ones, some of which import their own lures. 

Over $50 most buyers probably re-rigging anyway.
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Nude gets my vote,just cause I like to replace and re rig with stuff I know is upto the task,and change the action up or down.
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Aggree with Falco'' NUDE''. Cheap lures attract fish no doubt . But alot of the time the hooks and rings are there downfall.
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Nude....gets my vote too.trebs/single hooks/split rings can then be chosen to angler preference  eg some like to fish with treble underneath and single off the back.
I have bought a popper with owner stinger 76 trebs on and split ring but the price goes right up as a result.
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I have play devil's advocate - these lures must appeal to the vast majority of anglers not just the elite.  Do most retailers have the neccessary trebles, split rings and knowledgeable staff (apart from Stelljigger).  Will nude lures stop newbies from buying?
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Rigged Chris....for the reason you suggest....dudes like Falco and Doid are gunna add their own hardware regardless....at least you are capturing a wider potential customer base...my 2c
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Perhaps supply 2x hooks with split rings on already, with the lure, but not mounted.That way the shops can up-sell the purchase with some "Proper hooks", or the customer can use the factory provided ones if he feels so inclined.
Will also give the shops a chance to sell split ring pliers too....
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For the price point you are targeting rigged would be better for those newbies, they are in everyone's budget not like a lot of the other stick baits out there, from what we have seen they will catch as many fish as those overpriced ones.   
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Originally posted by ChrisW ChrisW wrote:

I have play devil's advocate - these lures must appeal to the vast majority of anglers not just the elite.  Do most retailers have the neccessary trebles, split rings and knowledgeable staff (apart from Stelljigger).  Will nude lures stop newbies from buying?
 
Yeah on that basis I would agree with the others and on this point you raise.
 
There is still alot of education going on in regards to jigging let alone casting,so yes for the general popluation a lure without hooks would be seen as "a rip off"
 
Although alot of game lures sell to people who cant rig,guess it comes down to what the retailer wants to learn/stock/sell?
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Some of the sticks you buy from river 2 sea come with owner trebs and split rings on already eg rover and the doggies(i think)...i suppose if you market enough of them..then you can get those components cheap in bulk? Certainly,would cater for everyone then.
If a average jo buys one and a king bends it all out...they will feel ripped off and maybe complaints a coming? Tough Call.
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Have bought a couple of the cheaper rigged lures and well....

The best thing about one lure was the Owner trebles.
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I think you will loose a few sales not having the lures rigged.
If you want to sell alot of them, they need to appeal to the greatest number of people.

People who want to rig their lures with their own hooks etc will do so regardless of what came standard on the lure.

Would the people who want to add their own hooks etc be put off buying these lures because they already come rigged with hooks etc? I doubt it.

Will some people be put off buying these lures because they do not come rigged? yes deffinitly.

Anyway im sure they will come with reasonable quality hooks etc?

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yes keep them rigged - opens up you're possible market - especially for newbies like me that may just want to buy a stickbait to try out, without having to purchase a separate pack of hooks and split rings yadda yadda. However if you're selling the higher quality $80+ stickbaits - (something classed in the higher price bracket) - then i would be inclined to sell them without the hooks.. People who are spending that much money on such a quality lure will most likely be prepared to pay the extra for quality hooks to go along with it.
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Originally posted by LEVCAT LEVCAT wrote:

yes keep them rigged - opens up you're possible market - especially for newbies like me that may just want to buy a stickbait to try out, without having to purchase a separate pack of hooks and split rings yadda yadda. However if you're selling the higher quality $80+ stickbaits - (something classed in the higher price bracket) - then i would be inclined to not sell them without the hooks.. People who are spending that much money on such a quality lure will most likely be prepared to pay the extra for quality hooks to go along with it.

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Broader market with rigged lures... Naked ones belong in the bedroom.... a Falco!!
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Originally posted by Titahi Titahi wrote:

Broader market with rigged lures... Naked ones belong in the bedroom.... a Falco!!
 
 
Yes, but remove the belly swivel first!
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As a relative newbie to stickbait casting, being land based as well and not having that many shots per trip at a good kingie, should I be worried that the hooks / split rings on the $50 Yo Zuri stickbaits not being up to the task of landing a good King?

All this talk of replacing the factory ones has got me worried now!

Oh, and from my point of view rigged would be all I would buy for now unless the shop could rig it for me on the spot as I've got no hooks/ split rings / pliers etc. Be willing to pay for the upgraded rings/hooks though.


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Chris..Out of interest...I like the gamakatsu trebles...In fact i prefer them to owners...The finish is similar to the tuned gammies which i find more rust resistant...I have had probs with owners losing their tips when i flatten the barbs with pliers too(have to be careful)which i found unusual.

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Originally posted by Aaron32987 Aaron32987 wrote:

As a relative newbie to stickbait casting, being land based as well and not having that many shots per trip at a good kingie, should I be worried that the hooks / split rings on the $50 Yo Zuri stickbaits not being up to the task of landing a good King?

All this talk of replacing the factory ones has got me worried now!

Oh, and from my point of view rigged would be all I would buy for now unless the shop could rig it for me on the spot as I've got no hooks/ split rings / pliers etc. Be willing to pay for the upgraded rings/hooks though.


My 2 cents worth=Lot of it is relative to how much force you put on them via drag...I have found going hard out on the drag when popping not such a great idea...can often result in pulling the lure out of some soft tissues in the kings mouth(unless engulfed)....Off the bricks you probably using 15 kg tackle and one third for drag...so you probably would go between 5 to 10 kg tops....more like 5 to 8 kg....I caught plenty of kings at great barrier off the bricks and always took it easy....some kings didnt fight at all! which was a suprise. Depends on the size kings you expect to hook at your sight too.Should be ok with whats already there.
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